that s what we should do, take advantage of what we are doing in a very litigious way in making sure in how we do it and how we do it and what period of time we do it is something that we can maintain. when i speak to senators to try or house members or governors, or any other elected official, i try to convince them that what i m proposing makes sense and it s not inconsistent with what they believe. bret: president biden talked with senator joe manchin from west virginia today. they both said they had a productive talk and will talk in coming days it does not sound like manchin is ready to pass this before christmas even though chuck schumer, the senate majority leader, says yes, he is. well, here s some of the write-up from the wall street journal, the real cost of biden s spending plan. the cbo and joint committee on taxation project that the house bill would increase the deficit by $3 trillion over 10 years without the budget gimmicks and phony phaseouts. all of this gives m
bret: president biden being asked about the giant, giant bill up on capitol hill 3.5 trillion he said we are going to pay for everything we spend. it s all paid for. this is now the wall street journal writes it. budget tricks disguise the true cost of bifned. entitlement. democrats find way to cradle to welfare statement demanding what they claim 3.5 trillion over 0 years. the truth is that even that gargantuan number hides the real cost of their plans. the bills moving through committees are full of delayed starts, phony phaseouts and cost shifting to states designed to fit 3.5 trillion into a 10-year budget window that can pass with a mere 51 senate votes. even if the bill shrinks to $2 trillion or less the real costs will be far greater behold one of the greatest fiscal cons in history. wall street journal back with the panel. harold, you have been on capitol hill. you know how this works, the sausage making is ugly but for the president to say it s all