mr. zelenskyy wants a cease-fire desperately. and he wants all the russians out. the big question is russians out of what? because they have already installed some mayors in a couple of different towns to try to establish new break away republic. so, in addition to the territory on the east, they would have some stuff down south. right. and territory is going to be very important when they get to the nitty gritty of any peace deal here. which ultimately they will have to get to, steve. but you make a very good point about nato, non-nato membership for ukraine. that coming off the table being a win for president putin. you go back and read the art of war. one of the great philosophers of war. he said that you have to build what he called a golden bridge for along which your enemy can retreat.