at the high street presbyterian church and i was at the elmhurst united methodist church and we were involved with the clergy and the president was dr. j. alfred smith and he got us involved in the city council and the school board and our emphasis on social justice began then. hugh ended up being in el cerrito for 13 years and i was in richmond for 12 years. we continued our ministries together and 17 years ago, he asked me to host here. i was mentoring along with elizabeth, being a host and we are grateful for his ministry and we thank his wife, gail, for the wonderful celebration of his life that happened about five weeks ago in el cerrito. blessings to you and your family, gail. you ve been all over the world with you and have been to the ministry in pakistan. i ve always admired and appreciated that and we are grateful for everything he has done .1 of thpeshave, was howard thurmond, the great spiritual and religious giant among us. whenever i would have this guest on, he
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