with us as well. peter, you are the former managing director of the national transportation safety board. that is a very, very telling audio from the conductor. it is. it indicates that whatever happened, the engine was past the point where things started to go south. the engine was still on the track. he was unaware of how serious the accident was or just beginning to know how serious it was. it was clearly shocked. is that extraordinary or unusual that the first car or the engine is still apparently on track, but the cars behind it are dangling off the track and upside down? not at all. sometimes the engine is probably 80,000 pounds.
over the track changes the physics and the dynamics of the forces that you have in that curve. it s like racing a motorcycle. as you approach that curve, c t forces on the track. whether that train was entering a curve and like peter said, they will have that the black box. what you are saying is the difference of an empty train going into that curve as opposed to a train with 78 persons and crew members and presumably lots of luggage is a different environment, right? right. it s every kind of transportation accident, it s amazing how much a few pounds and a few changes in the forces on the vehicle can make. given there was so much criticism of starting this run
before today when it started and they were worried about the speeds as you are approaching curves, i would think unless the black box has the answer on it and it could with the cameras and the recordings and every touch to the controls being recorded on a modern train, they may know right away, but the next step is the testing that was done and what they ran over the tracks and really what speeds they tested the curves a. 78 passengers and five crew members and multiple fatalities we are being told. a lot of injuries as well. they are dealing with the passengers who were injured and many of them seriously. let s get back to seat peter. there were almost certainly cameras on board that will have
his national security strategy. there is a chance we could hear from the president directly on this derailment and we will keep you updated on anything we get on the front. we will be anxious to hear the updates you get. thanks very much. i want to bring in peter, our cnn analyst. managing director. you look at the imimages and you hear what the sheriff and other amtrak officials are saying. what goes through your mind? this is a very difficult accident, wolf. am strak one of those agencies that keeps struggling on the financial fronts. they never have the money to parade the way in which they want to. we are going to have to look seriously once we are past this at what resources are we as a nation willing to allocate for passenger rail service? the freight guys do very well on safety. passengers service whether it s
what we are saying is that he is of interest in the fbi. they are examining they believe he knows things that are relevant to the investigation, may have records relevant to the investigation, may have been in meetings relevant to the investigation, and they want more information from him. and recall that he has volunteered to testify before the senate intelligence committee. he has not sought immunity as, for example, mike flynn has. and so, and his lawyer, as peter said, is saying we re willing to answer any question on this. so there s a you know, there s just a lot we don t know, what conduct or what in particular has drawn this fbi interest in mr. kushner. we re just going to keep reporting it out, stephanie. ken vogel, talk to us a bit and i realize you have to, you know, leap ahead a little bit here about palace intrigue. there had been a rift between steve bannon and jared kushner weeks ago. the president had said work it out. some people had reported, well, steve banno