because when we are comparing this to things like domestic violence, restraining orders are civil protection orders i have been on both sides of those in court and often judges will give each side maybe 20 minutes to present their case. the evidence doesn t have robust due process, there are so many problems implicit in those types of restraining order situations:people are analogizing this and saying this is the same as a restraining order we need to understand what we are talking about and understand how those types of restraining orders are not actually even providing due process. so many questions come into play. let s bring up the states that have these red flag laws in place. you mentioned those, they are being called into question right now, and other states are proposing them. you then have to ask about people who turned these people in, people who say this person shouldn t have a gun and the reasons behind it. is a personal issue between people.
that s an example of a credible witness. that made me think that people will believe him. he said a lot of things that were exical puatory. the infamous blackmail tape. i don t think that exists. it did the president pay for medical procedures? i don t kno. every fever dream you have is true. knocking down numerous things. and they re trueing to make it a big deal because this person shouldn t be relieved. the fact of the matter is this happens all the time. when i was a prosecutor, i have been a guy who spent his whole life scheming and stealing and committed nine murders. and i had a lot of people convicted on his testimony and that s because he had lots of corroborating testimony corroborating evidence and other
more importantly, members of congress and the public are, after all of this time and all of this money spent on this investigation. i mean, so you could be at a point, it sounds like, from what dana s saying, you re very close, but not there. who knows what you are, but you could conceivably be at a point where you re close to a criminal act, or maybe at a point where a lot of people felt you are, but they couldn t prove beyond a reasonable doubt and you ll go ahead and plop that into the political realm? i think that s right. and that s in part, as has been said tonight and by others, that impeachment is not just the matter of sort of a special kind of indictment for the president. you could be impeached without ever having committed a crime. if the overall lay of the land suggests that this person shouldn t be president, because of things they ve done, even if it isn t a crime in the title 18 of the u.s. code, impeachment is still possible. and that s why it really is important t
law and a matter of policy. so the wall street journal is right on point with their editorial. melissa: how do you define that gap in the middle? what do you mean? if you want to remove the president if what? let s assume he s just doing a terrible job and he never shows up, doesn t nominate anybody, he goes to the gym every day, he s capable of governing and he s very smart but he just won t do the work. he won t appoint ambassadors, he won t meet with anybody. that person shouldn t be the president but he can t be impeached because he hasn t committed a crime, and he can t be removed because he s not incompetent on the 20th amendment. the framers considered this. somebody raised at the constitutional convention a criteria for impeachment malpractice or failure to do duties. they rejected it. they said it would give congress too much power. so we need to fill that gap, or if we are going to keep it unfilled, the one thing we can t do is stretch the words of the constitution
chuck to show up. what about the undocumented that brought their kids to school? or the kitchen people come up the babysitters. the lawn mowers, meat-packers and poultry processors? you tell slanted stories to have an emotional impact. 100% shouldn t be here. if one of them goes out and kill someone, the parents aren t interested in your college level statistics course. they are interested in the fact that the person shouldn t be here. what are you not getting? sean: i want to ask you this. i have become friends with, not only did i interviewed these i can t imagine what this family is going through. i can t imagine life without his father for his entire life, officer ronil singh s father. but also mr. rana back,