blame. let s blame antifa, these aren t our people. it s my understanding that mr. meadows was in the deflecting a blame category but he did end up taking a more neutral route, knowing that there were several advisers in the president s circle urging him to take more action, which i think was reflected in the rhetoric released later that day in the videos. you told us that the white house counsel office was in the camp encouraging to stop the attack and leave the capitol. white house counsel s office wanted a strong statement out to condemn the rioters and confident in that. let s look at just one example of what some senior advisers to the president were urging. miss hutchinson, can you look at the exhibit we are showing on the screen now?
had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. sounds like we are going to go to the capitol. he didn t look up from his phone and said something to the effect of there s a lot going on, cass, but i don t know, things might get real, real bad on january 6th. miss hutchinson, mr. meadows is engaged in litigation with the committee to avoid testifying here. what was your reaction when he said things might get real, real bad. in the days before the 2nd, i was apprehensive, i heard talk of a rally, and movement to the capitol, but when hearing rudy s take on january 6th and mark s response, that was the first, that evening was the first moment that i remember feeling scared, and nervous for what could happen on january 6th, and
seconds or so to walk down the hall from your office to the oval office, is that right? that s correct. thank you. pursuant to the section 5c8 of house resolution 503, the chair recognizes the chair woman from wyoming, miss cheney, for questions. thank you very much, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, we will begin today with an exchange that first provided miss hutchinson a tangible sense of the ongoing planning for the events of january 6th. on january 2, 4 days before the attack on our capitol, president trump s lead lawyer, rudy giuliani, was immediating with mark meadows and others. do you remember mr. giuliani meeting with mr. meadows on january 2, 2021? i do. he met with mr. meadows the evening of january 2, 2021. and we understand you walked mr. giuliani out of the white
trying to cover up the truth about january 6th. but thanks to the courage of certain individuals, the truth won t be buried. american people won t be left in the dark. our witness is cassidy hutchinson has embodied that courage. i won t get into a lot of detail about miss hutchinson s testimony, i ll allow her words to speak for themselves and i hope everyone at home will listen very closely. first i recognize our distinguished vice chair, miss cheney of wyoming for opening statements she would care to offer. thanks very much, mr. chairman. the first five hearings, the committee has heard from republicans, including former trump administration justice officials, trump campaign officials, several members of president trump s white house staff, prominent conservative judge and several others.
vicinity of a conversation i overheard the president say something to the effect of i don t f-ing care they have weapons, they are not here to hurt me, take the f-ing mags away, they can march the capitol from here, take the mags away. just to be clear, miss hutchinson, is it your understanding the president wanted to take the mags away and said the armed individuals were not there to hurt him. that s a fair assessment. the issue wasn t with the amount of space available in the official rally area only, but instead that people did not want to have to go through the mags. let s listen to a portion of what you told us about that. in this particular instance it was not the capacity of our space, it was the mags and the people that did not want to come through and that s what tony had been trying to relay to him that morning. it was not the issue we encountered on the campaign, we have enough space, they don t