juan: the border battle intensifying after federal judge temporarily bars the trump administration from refusing asylum to migrants who might cross the border into the u.s. illegally. instead of legal ports of entry, the ruling allows migrants to apply for asylum anywhere no matter where they cross. the judge argues this is what u.s. law requires. president trump ripping the decision and vowing to take the fight all the way to the supreme court. president trump: this was an obama judge and i will tell you what. it s not going to happen. everybody that wants to sue the united states, they file their case. they file their case in the ninth circuit and it needs an automatic loss. no matter what you do. it s a disgrace what happens with the ninth circuit. we will win their case and the supreme court of the united states. juan: kennedy, what do you make of it? the judge saying that the response he got from the trump administration, the president would have authority to simply
here and be safe and work and be free. having said that, we do not have appropriate systems for accommodating that. juan: jesse, i wanted to come at you with some numbers. jesse: don t come at me with numbers, williams. juan: 70% of americans according to a monopole saying the people who qualify for asylum should be allowed to make their application and only 21% of people in arizona, california, texas, new mexico see that caravan is any kind of threat. jesse: fake polls. i don t know if i can believe those. let me hit you with a number of my own. 500 ms-13 among the caravan. that s a dhs number. they have paid informants on the inside of the caravan. so they re going to roll the dice when they come seeking asylum. they are going to say if you have 500 ms-13 in the midst of a
7,000 large caravan, this judge is saying we will take our chances if we grant this person asylum from ms-13 and they skipped the hearing and may go slice and dice everybody. i m not willing to take that risk. i m just not. i think the president as the commander-in-chief is interested in the safety and security of the american people. these asylum applications have skyrocketed because the central american countries have realized there is a loophole in our system. you can t do this if you are canadian. you can t do it if you re mexican but if you are from central america and you show up and say i fear prosecution or persecution, they will let you in. persecution for fling violence or poverty, there is poverty everywhere. there is violence everywhere. an aclu lawyer comes and tells them what to say then they are home free in this country. even the local tijuana mayor doesn t want the caravan there. the guy actually called them
close the southern border if he just wanted to do it on his own. kennedy: they are putting up that concertina wire and those jersey barriers. it s very interesting obviously both sides are fighting for the narrative. it just seems inappropriate to me that once again we have an immigration issue that is making its way from the bottom up through the judiciary when it really should be dictated by congress. i really feel like congress has abdicated their responsibility. jesse, you were joking about infrastructure and it in the issue that brings two sides together at the thanksgiving table. these two sides need to figure out what to do about immigration. they re not going to be able to have comprehensive immigration vote for people seeking asylum, we need to do a better job defining it and figuring out for those who need help, figuring out how to get that aid to people without turning this into an entitlement heavy welfare state. i don t think that s within the purview of the united state
courant counter espionage. which in a sense, snowden is fair game. he s a fair victory for russia in this kind of back and forth. if we had the equivalent coming from russia, we might for all i know be willing to give that person asylum. i don t think we can expect russia will help in this unless russia sees some opportunity for other potential benefit i can t put my finger on right now or russia becomes disenchanted with snowden for some reason. russia wants to uphold its reputation as a place to which american defectors can go to reveal secrets. much of the russian intelligence apparatus is trying to gather secret information on the united states all the time. sounds like you think he would stay in russia mds to mop him making it a stop on the way to somewhere else. i m saying it s plausible he