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angela merkel is basically keeping him afloat. she is new massive pipeline to buy energy from russia. what we have really got to do is actually have, i think, a complete energy boycott on russia. by the way, that s a huge opportunity for america so sell our energy around the world. then you will get his attention. i like that idea. trish: the flip side of that some would say oil is a commodity. at some point it gets kind of murky. it s hard to figure out where it s come from. and can you buy it wherever i like where you are going with this because to me sanctions are a huge opportunity. i think sanctions, tariffs, you name it we have a ton of economic power. we are the biggest economy in the world. we haven t used this power. we have allowed china to basically prop up north korea and continue trading with them. despite all of our calls not to. so, let s use that economic power and whether it means
election meddling and tough enough on russia. what do you think based on the position when you were at the state department. they are good first steps certainly. what i m more focused on is making sure the government has a plan to prevent the interference from happening this year and we still haven t heard that i think you are hearing congress really push on this during some confirmation hearings. some oversight hearings. sanctions are a good tool to punish. but we need to make sure our infrastructure exactly as you said the fact they were in our energy infrastructure should be terrifying, we don t have a whole of government approach on that so far. i think it also underscores that bob mueller s investigation is actually finding out some good information. 13 of these people sanctioned were indicted by mueller. harris: you heard putin he has no intention of extra indicting those people. maria: the point is naming and shaming. on the energy question it s an interesting one. harri
malignant russian cyber activity including their attempted interference in u.s. elections. destructive cyber attacks and intrusion targeting criminal infrastructure. these targeted sanctions are a part of a broader effort to address the ongoing nefarious attacks coming from russia. okay. so, steve, do these sanctions go far enough in terms of what they are doing? i think they are a really good start. i thought nikki haley was really strong at the u.n. that was great. much stronger than the british prime minister theresa may and what she has done. this announcement today is a step in the right direction. frankly, i don t think you are really going to get putin s attention and really get him to rethink his completely irresponsible and reckless sort of adventurism around the world until you really hit him where it hurts. and that is energy. his whole corrupt regime depends on energy. and at the moment, half of europe is totally dependent on russian energy.
energy from others. so, yeah, it s also a one-on-one match for that i want to get back to something that you said and i wrote it down. you said political adventurism around the gob by mr. russia. interesting euphemismism for what they re doing. what really works against them? you can do the energy. at the end of the day, how do we stop them? honestly, i think that s it. i really do. he is-putin is a total corrupt clepto maniac. one of the richest people in the world that would be a nice thing to reveal to the russian people how much money he has personally stolen from them. we have that information. some of it came out in the panama papers in the follow-up to that. that would certainly embarrass him. i don t think you are going to get really serious change unless you undermine the foundations of his regime. and that is the economic foundations based on energy. they don t have anything else going for them. katie: the criticism they haven t gone far enough