turning up the pressure on pat cipollone to testify after hutchinson revealed that cipollone was worried that he and trump s entire team would face a litany of criminal charges if trump went to the capitol on january 6th. hutchinson said the president knew his supporters were armed and trying to join them. there are also new questions, though, about the former white house aide s claims that trump lunged for the steering wheel of his presidential suv when secret service agents told him he couldn t go to the capitol. now the secret service tells the committee that agents are willing to dispute that story under oath. cnn s ryan nobles is on capitol hill. ryan, big day for the committee. do we know what s next? reporter: well, there s no doubt, victor, and alson that the committee seems to be razor focused on pat cipollone the former white house counsel and his role in all of this. to this point he s only had very base level conversations with the committee. he has not had an
up to that point. she said the president looked out at the crowd, saw that it wasn t big enough, and said eff it. i want more people there. get the magnetometers out of the way. this is the kind of factor that all of us prosecutors would have considered in deciding whether to proceed with charges. again, i want to be clear. you could still probably sustain a charge on a lot of these things, but he has an argument, and it s not a completely implausible one. renato, what do you think, since you think that was the moment that was the game changer? yeah, the reason i think it s a game changer is from a legal perspective. there s a first amendment issue that really protects trump s speech. political speech is usually protected by the first amendment, and unless he was imminently inciting a lawless action, there s no case because the first amendment bars it because speaking is permit firsted so i think this might get the