unfolded. the committee is trying to determine what trump was doing and how he reacted to the violence in realtime. for more now, let s bring in reporter marshall cohen. what more could you tell us about what cipollone did or did not say behind closed doors. fredricka, how are you? this is a big one. it is a real break through for the committee. they had been pushing for months to get pat cipollone to come in and give a deposition and they clinched that yesterday. as you mentioned, more than seven hours behind closed doors. so what did they possibly ask him about. he was there when donald trump s allies were thinking about declaring martial law. he was there when donald trump allies were considering sending in the military to seize voting machines and he was there on january 6 while donald trump sat back, watched tv and did not intervene while his supporters ransacked and raided the capitol. now this is critical because the committee has been focusing on what they say is a
if you re someone who isn t vaccinated, it is potentially quite dangerous. if you live in an area where a lot of people unvaccinated, if you have particular health conditions that put you at higher risk or immunocompromised, this is just rolling the dice. and you re rolling loaded dice. you may still get covid and your chance of getting very sick if your vaccinated is extremely low. if your unvaccinated, we know by now, we know the answer unfortunately, about 50% people in my county still haven t taken that advice. a big gamble as you say. while the cdc said the numbers about community spread are no longer accurate, what do you believe is behind that? well, a lot more home testing. this administration has gotten free tests out to families. i know we ve availed ourselves to that many times.
immunity. we talk about omicron as being milder. it is somewhat milder, but maybe on the order of 50% to 70% milder than a virus that has killed in the united states 830,000, or several million people around the world. we re not talking 95% milder, we re talking 50% to 70%. so, it s still a very important threat, particularly for people unvaccinated. so, the reason to be careful, while there s a surge, is not just to prevent the hospitals from being overoverwhelmed. it s nothing. still a big deal.the united states people saying it s inevitable you ll get it. that s just wrong. it s inevitable you ll be exposed to it. if i m wearing n95 and a mask and i m being careful, i don t think it s inevitable you ll get it and worth trying to dodge it to the end of the surge. i think it s a good reminder,
of this pandemic is two phases , the two acute phase, current models suggest between six to eight weeks in the u.s., seeing what we seen in south africa and uk about this highly-transmissible variant and we can then talk about what metrics are important. the reason the surge is different is that these high number of cases, at least during this surge matter for two reasons, one is what dr. fauci just said when you have a huge number of cases in the community the virus finds people unvaccinated, finds people who are vulnerable and hence you have increased number of hospitalization. in some states. new jersey is reach the same peak of last winter despite the numbers we ve seen because there s so much more virus finding people who are unvaccinated who are vulnerable, the other reason the surge and cases matter for this short period of time is any time you have an infectious disease that s millions of cases in a
delta or the first strain. the problem is the more people, if you have 50 million people unvaccinated, the virus mutates. and when it mutates, it changes that little covering on top of it. that new variant has put in 30 or 40 protein spikes different than the first one. and each one is slightly different and that s what helps it attack people and make it become infective. we have to hold on. from that point there. and you can begin to see if we begin to parallel what is happened in europe, we may have some hope in moving forward. we re not there yet. the expression is not there yet, we re not there yet right now. yeah. good to end on a note of hope there. dr. andre campbell, thanks for joining us. thank you so much for having me, kim. i really appreciate that. coming up, germany s parliament is still debating vaccine mandates as the country s health minister declares that omicron infections