other possible coconspirators with donald trump in this case is mark meadows, his last white house chief of staff. who also had a role as a representative of former president trump in 2021. with the national archives. he was one of the designated representatives to deal with the national archives on questions involving these kind of materials. we have indication, we have reasonable eve, that he may very well be possibly cooperating with jack smith on this in the january 6th investigation. if mark meadows is a coconspirator here, that would be something, presumably to find out tuesday at 3:00? yeah, so there s a lot of information, lawrence that s floating around about mark meadows. and whether he s flipped, turned against trump, of, course as you said it s important both to understand
is really gonna be qualified to handle this? they are completely in over their head, i think if you re donald trump tonight, you re realizing, i got more or less a deal if they go team, and now i m paying the price for it. andrew afeman, what is donald trump facing? i know we don t have the full indictment, we will know a lot more tuesday at 3:00, if not before. we ll see exactly every single statute that s relevant. we ll know every maximum criminal penalty that is possible under, the statute. based on what we know, tonight the trump attorneys, apparently publicly confirmed one count at least that he s facing. what is donald trump facing in this indictment, specifically? so, we ve heard in the new york times reported, there s seven counts. one of the things that i think is helpful, for people to not just consider the statutory maximum for each count. a lot of times, people report, oh, this is a 20 year count. this is a ten year count. that is true, you can stack
least that he s facing. what is donald trump facing in this indictment, specifically? so, we ve heard in the new york times reported, there s seven counts. one of the things that i think is helpful, for people to not just consider the statutory maximum for each count. a lot of times, people report, oh, this is a 20 year count. this is a ten year count. that is true, you can stack them all up and say, look, he faces 100 years, 140 years. that never, ever happens. it s really more a question of looking at the nature of the charges, what is the conduct, and then looking at what other defendants received for doing similar things? for instance, last week, we ve been talking about somebody who s former military who was just sentenced to three years in jail. for illegal retention of classified documents. there is an appear to be any obstruction in that.
apparently happened to trump s vice president, mike pence, it apparently happened to president biden, it happened to other senior officials, other former presidents. what generally happens, they get the benefit of the doubt. they get, yes, it s serious. yes, it s potentially criminal. but you ask for it, you alert the former official in question to the problem. if they don t alert you to the problem, you ask them for the materials, back you ask them to open their offices, or whatever the premises are to a search. presumably, there s a lot of feeling bad about, it and shuffling in apologizing and explaining away. you let the government get the stuff back. it s not uncommon to take away classified documents inadvertently. it just doesn t seem like an innocent thing when confronted with the fact that you ve done that, you don t let the government retrieve the information. or you lie to them about
justice system, that bends over backwards because our founders insisted on it, to make sure that no government official say so is enough to lock someone up. jack smith, the federal prosecutor, has to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that trump committed these crimes. that s the highest standard of proof in our law. jack smith can t just convince one juror, he s got to convince all 12 jurors that trump did it. otherwise, trump can t be convicted. he s got a lot, a long road ahead, this is the first step, it s a great name for the rule of law, as andrew says, but it s also a sad night for the country. bradley moss, you re an expert in these kinds of cases. you have heard much from donald trump, publicly, about this over the last year.