are nobodys, and that seems to him to be the worst possible thing. you know, it reminds me of a conversation we had back in 2016 about projection. so when he calls people nobodys, he is projecting on to them what he feels about himself. and there is nothing more deeply true about donald trump than that he feels he is worthless. he doesn t even necessarily have a consciousness about it, but he has an internal defense system that is raging and fighting against that awful feeling all the time. did you see that when you were working with him on the book? did you see? to ghost write a book is, you know, you have to examine the person and kind of get inside them. yeah. i remember thinking the phrase black hole was very alive in the period that i was writing that book in my head, that he was somebody who you kind of put