of the main arguments you and others have made for the program is that by providing people with legal defense it gets people out of detention. they can fight their cases from outside of detention. the government is not spending money on detention. you know, being detained is a barrier to stopping your deportation. so getting out of at tof detent helps stop the deportation. this representation doesn t fwarn tea that peopguarantee thl be allowed to stay here. just like having a public defender does not keep you out of jail but it does give you an access to constituents issue. marina, thank you so much for being here. seth, thank you so much for being here. there is more of seth s reporting on this story online now. head over to our website mhpshow.com, look for the link to in plain sight. up next an artist is using her work to push back, resist, maybe even create a buffer zone around sexual harassment on the street.