allegedly ship contraband bibles and then the pentagon arrainged for the group to smuggle in radio beacons and other spying equipment. government funding enabled the charity to grow and with it the pentagon s knowledge presumably of kim jong-un s super secret regime. the intercepts matthew coal who broke this story joins me along with bob behr who is quoted in the story. first of all, does quoting this story put anyone at risk? we don t think so, jake. first of all, the program ended about three years ago. so whatever assets they had put into place have at least gone stale. secondly, we went to the pentagon about two weeks before we published today to give them an opportunity to let us know whether there was anything that was harmful or dangerous. and they had no comment. so i think the real question is whether or not programs like these that use ngos, people who do legitimate humanitarian work are really whether it s a good