that you can find between the two. here is the difference. rick saccone has run a traditional campaign going to this event and going to that event. not exactly showing a lot of energy. and conor lamb has been knocking on doors with scores of volunteers, turning the campaign into a grassroots oriented movement. and if he wins, it s not just about his candidacy. it s also about the kind of campaign that he has run. so good. i don t think lamb the sham is going to work. i think it s going to be conor lamb. i think he is going to win. and terry, you re right. i lived and grew up in city of philadelphia, not the suburbs. 100 yards inside the city in summerton which they all like hearing right now, summerton as we say in philadelphia. thank you. we re going to have you on a lot this year. we re going to have a lot of pennsylvania focus. it looks like the democrats are going win back that state this fall. still ahead, much more on our