huntsman. and on the russian side, at the very least, sergei lavrov. then they will hold two news conferences at 9:30 eastern time, so you can see there are at least three hours, possibly more, pencilled in for actual talks, though those talks may drag on for longer. and low expectations, says donald trump, high anxiety from allies. partly because of what we ve heard just in the last few hours, donald trump equating the european union, his deepest, closest allies, with russia, saying they re both foes. also being asked what s your goal? i ll tell you after the meeting. this does not inspire the confidence of allies, alex. okay, bill neely, thanks to you for that part of the story. we appreciate that from helsinki. joining me now, kimberly atkins, chief washington reporter for the boston herald and nbc