and was anybody hurt because of that order? now, we don t think there were any actually injuries, but there were false emissions, that kind of thing. criminal charges? absolutely. criminal fraud. jenna: i m curious about the injuries part of it, because here we just had this huge case against this peanut executive that knowingly knew that his product was contaminated. people died. hundreds were sickened, remy. and so is that s a little that s a different situation. you re right. jenna: but it is an executive that knew something was wrong and allowed it to happen anyway. so do you agree with lis that, you know, we could see a top executive at volkswagen go to prison? i do think so. this may be the test case. there are a number of complicating factors, not just the lack of injuries. fortunately, unlike the peanut case, we don t have death or serious bodily injury. however, we have high-level executives who purposely, not just knowingly, but they purposely defrauded the consumer to