paul mauro. paul: sounds like a lot of rounds and heavy rounds. harris: they do. pawk troublesome. the nightmare situation in situation like this is that you have somebody who has far more ammunition than the police do. we have seen this happen early on in this event. harris: you said that last hour and said some communities don t want the police to have what a need to fight a situation like this. this is a gun fight in progress or has been in the last hour and we re hoping that situation doesn t continue. hope is not a strategy, come with what you have. how could one person outgun an entire police department? paul: first blush of the event, use new york city, police