guy, jay sekulow is a brilliant lawyer. i m sure before this case is over, other lawyers will be added to the team. i will not be among them, but there will be other lawyers and teams tend to grow and shrink when you have a complicated case like this. but they re up against a very difficult problem, when you have a prosecutor who can give deals, make deals, it s very difficult. professor, thank you for coming on. thank you. up next, so much to get. to manafort, president trump, what it all means for this mueller investigation. the panel is next. this is frank s favorite record. this is frank s dog. and this is frank s record shop. frank knowns northern soul, but how to set up a limited liability company. what s that mean? not so much. so he turned to his friends at legalzoom. yup! they hooked me up. we helped with his llc, contracts, and some other stuff that s part of running a business. so frank can focus on the beat. you hear that? this is frank s record shop.
what he can certainly help mule we are is a more details understanding of how the nefarious russian operates operation. paul manafort was replaced along before the election took place. he was with the campaign for a very short period of time. literally, for, like, what a couple of months? a little period of time. manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. but for some reason, a month ago this is what he was saying about manafort. i think the whole manafort trial is very sad. he happens to be a very good person. i have great respect for what he s done in terms of what he s gone through. you would have expected the reverse. yeah, you would. i suppose there is a greater fear now of what paul manafort, who was there, who was
i mean, the president seems to be they seem to be nervous enough about manafort that they don t want to throw him under the bus. that s clear. i think what you see when you see the things that he said, two different things, loyalty is a one way street for him. so none of these people who are in trouble now can depend on him. and when you think about what matters when you re a leader of a team. you have to create a team that s loyal to the job and not to themselves. and that s what the splintered team seems to have been. and when teddy roosevelt came in after mckinley was assassinated, he said you can t keep those people are, they won t be loyal to you, he said they don t have to be loyal to me, they need to be loyal to the job. the greatest leaders build a team. this team is people who are just pleading for themselves, everybody is out for themselves, nobody is out for country. the president is starting to think about his own survival. it seems like that s always how
that kind of argument. are you concerned now that paul manafort could say that a promised pardon was hinted at. or the pardon was dangled during the joint defense agreement? i doubt that. i think the president was pretty care in what he said and how he said and what was said in public. so i don t think that s a real concern. i think the concern is putting together information that the prosecutor knows about but can t connect. we have to remember again, that collusion is not a crime, conspiracy is a crime, but conspiracy requires knowledge. and it s also possible that manafort was always acting on his own, to make more money. he was using the trump campaign, saying i ll make introductions, i ll help you, but that the trump campaign didn t really know about this. that s a likely explanation,
say anything he can to get out of a jam. how do we know that manafort is not somebody who will tell whoever is listening at that moment to get him out of a jam? you noi, aknow, all of the h could operating witnesses are corrupt. manafort is basically the swamp. but also flynn and also gates, and all of these people. and cohen, if cohen cooperates, all of these folks have pled guilty to lying and fraud, they re all tainted witnesses, and so as a prosecutor, you only rely on them to the extent you can corroborate them. but often you can, if paul manafort says i spoke to donald trump about the donald trump tower meeting, i did it at this particular time in this particular phone call and you go to the phone records and you find those phone records that