what the polls reflect at this point. and the presidential campaign, his name, i.d., donald trump is television star, people know who he is. at this point in the 2008 campaign, rudy guiliani and we how at that turned out. rudy guiliani had a record as a mayor, known as a political figure. doing well in the polls. donald trump is a tv star. ways doing well in the polls because he was well-known. at this point reflects the weakness of the republican party reflects mitt romney, newt gingrich. tim pawlenty put himself out there is not getting a rise in the republican base and trump is filling the vacuum. paul: the vacuum, what is the vacuum, dan? the vacuum we want to talk about presidential politics, i m glad we re doing it 18 months before the election, because the last time we started in january, 24 months. paul: we re behind the curve. we re four months behind the curve and donald trump
november, 2012, he s out there campaigning full-time for 2012 is amazing. and he does have significant problems, it isn t just the base. he won 52% of the independent vote in 2008. they re not supporting him at a rate of 35%. and the journal just reported the mcclatchy poll says 44% of their respondents say they ll definitely not vote for barack obama. 44%. paul: on that point, steve, the independent voters that dan just mentioned, they want something done on the deficit. they d like to get a budget deal that reduces the debt and stops warnings like standard & poor s, do you agree with jason, this is a strategy about getting the left on board? it s probably the strategy, paul, but i think it s very misguided. as you just said. the key to winning this election in 2012 is those independent voters and those independent voters tend to be very concerned about overspending and the debt and now, when you call this the
will go down in history. and he likes what the canadians have, skip the grammar. i have a net worth, three times, four times more than mitt romney. paul: you re saying his statements are going to catch up with him. i m not saying that, no, to the contrary and ignored because the media has latched on to this as the real thing and has dismissed by eccentrici eccentricity. paul: they like the trump persona and shaking up the republican field. this is not liking, this is being in on the drama. they are in show business, too. i m sorry to say that we every four years learn what the media is and always more than we can bear to know. is there something jason about the republican field? the republican field were so attractive to republican voters, trump wouldn t be be so prominent. first, to dorothy s point. any pollster will tell you
and that s are the folks that told us about the dire consequences of reform. welfare caseloads fell by 60% on average. poverty fell overall and black child poverty well and employment of single women increased. the rich man shall find it harder to enter heaven than the camel through the eye of the needle. that s a christian social justice teaching that there are obligations we all have the poor and can t government and through government spending, be one of the agents of that kind of charity? well, paul. barack obama said something very much like that in his facebook town hall, that people who made money by refusing to accept higher rates of taxation, refusing, literally, their obligations to the less fortunate and to the future. as though none of these people had family foundations, didn t
paul: 25% of the vote. that s right. paul: that would be a 25% for obama. he ll get more than 25%, but he will well, okay. all right. when we come back, what would jesus cut? the budget battle in washington has some christian washington has some christian [ female announcer ] the counter. in most homes, it gets all the action. bring it. getting it clean again is easy with bounty. in this lab test, one sht of bounty leaves this surface cleaner than 3 sheets of the bargain brand. why use more when you can use less? super durable, super absorbent, super clean. bounty. the one-sheet clean picker-upper.