lens, partisan or not. but that doesn t mean that we re unreliable witnesses, okay? and i think as we ve learned, the takeaway from the past two years is that, yes, there are republicans and there are democrats, but it s not about that. it s about who is going to be a patriot first. i actually think john brennan is an extremely credible person, and we should listen more to what he has to say than rudy giuliani, who has zero credibility. spirited start to this hour. all four of you will be here for the rest of the hour, so thank you. upping the ante. just how far john brennan is willing to go to prevent others from having their security clearances revoked by the president. that next. if my clearances and my reputation as i m being pulled through the mud now if that s the price we re going to pay to prevent donald trump from doing this against other people, to me it s a small price to pay. sfx: [cell phone dialing]