up for a long time, which is, you know, called the lies about joe paterno or something like that. the fact of the matter is, that i haven t heard them discredit him previously. he now gets discredited when he gets into bed, if you will, with mr. sandusky. then they want to set some distance. of course, the paterno family wants to set distance from mr. sandusky. he is a convicted felon, and he was the root cause. the problem the paternos have is that mr. pat earno, in the documents that we all have, and that have been aired in public by mr. louis freeh, clearly show that joe paterno was complicit in this whole, sordid, ugly affair. all right, tom kline, hearn for victim number five. thank you for coming in and talking to us about this this morning. my pleasure. jerry sandusky speaking for the first time by phone from behind bars everyone hearing tape of that for the first time this morning. tonight the man behind that documentary i m just telling you