of operation dark heart, lieutenant colonel tony schafer, who served two tours of duty in afghanistan and worked closely with general petraeus. here s the man to ask this question to, can the regionor partially ruled by the government, the taliban, or can the taliban be part of the government and be a be not a threat to the snuns. they re a pashtun element. jenna: the taliban. that s right. they are part of the landscape, they have been for 10,000 years. i think with the right incentives, and that s rt process, a process of in state, where they have something, i don t believe it s a bad idea for them to assume governance because frankly if they assume governance, they are responsible, accountable and if they don t pull their weight they could be targeted with operations. aren t they our ensne. everything is relative in afghanistan. it s been one of the things we ve noticed over the years. they are a tapestry, they are tribes condition the