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MSNBC Katy Tur Reports June 4, 2024 19:42:00

didn t stand up to them. if you say i m not afraid of donald trump, i m willing to take him on. if you have confidence that i can beat him, you can stand bind me. that s what he needs to do as part of consolidate that base. donald trump is stronger than he did a month ago, rallying around somebody who was in trouble. there s still a lot of people who don t want donald trump to be the nominee. we have a long way to go until we figure out who that is. and, frankly, you know, nothing is given to ron desantis. nothing makes him the alternative. he has to take it, and if he doesn t do it, somebody else will. john, what about the others that might get into the race? there s been a lot of talk about chris christie jumping in, and chris christie has been vocal about what he thinks needs to happen to beat donald trump, and that s to go after him directly. do you think folks might be waiting for somebody like christie to go in there and do the dirty work for them?

MSNBC Katy Tur Reports June 4, 2024 19:43:00

there s already a don and a ron, i m not sure a john will be running. there are any number of candidates ready to go in. we know mike pence is on the verge of getting in. there s been a super pac established to pave the way for that, so the great expectation is he s going to get in from new hampshire, or simply could be taking his moment to get some attention for himself. to brendan s point earlier, no one has been dissuaded by the performance of ron desantis so far, and what that means is, you know, anybody who thought that they might run this time is going to run, and anybody who was waiting to see has waited to see and determined that desantis, chris christie, another one who s right on the precipice of potentially running. john and brendan, thank you, guys, very much. and coming up next, what the fbi did in 1983 to save queen elizabeth s life. plus, serving with your sisters, what it means to send a

MSNBC Katy Tur Reports June 4, 2024 19:38:00

desantis, presidential hopeful. his 12 city campaign swing across three states kicks off tomorrow in iowa, where he will immediately try to pitch himself as diet donald trump. in a state that likes full fat donald trump. joining me now senior politics reporter, jonathan allen and chief communications adviser to former house speaker paul ryan, brendan buck. also an msnbc political analyst. john, i know you like that. how do you pitch yourself as diet donald trump when a state likes the real donald trump, the real thing? i mean, that s perfect, katy, diet donald trump or donald trump light, if you will. ron desantis right now is going to have to go all force at donald trump. trump right now is polling at over 50% in national polls in most of the states he s winning by significant margins. in order for desantis to have a chance, he s going to have to

MSNBC Katy Tur Reports June 4, 2024 19:57:00

reporter: today, michelle s parents john and lori witmer still live in wisconsin. like before we watch michelle or after, that was such a change. everything just changed. and it never goes back. reporter: niece days, they find joy in their ten grandchildren. john is writing a second book after sharing michelle s story in hopes of helping other families cope with grief. why was it so important for you to be so black and white about the darkest moments of your family s life? because other people are going through the same thing. so then they may know they re not alone. reporter: it s been 20 years since the start of iraq war and 19 since michelle s passing but her memory and name live on like in this street side in her childhood home. and in her niece s name. i just feel it was the name i was born to have. i m so happy to be named after

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