there are reports from other news outlets that giuliani was back at the white house today. take a listen on this pardon question to how the president discussed it regarding paul manafort earlier. one of the reasons i respect paul manafort so much is he went through that trial are you considering pardoning paul manafort? i have great respect for what he s done in terms of what he s gone through. you know, he worked for ronald reagan for years. he worked for bob dole. i would say what he did, some of the charges they threw against him, every consultant, every lobbyist in washington probably does. david? he also worked for warlords and, you know, clement tocratic thugs, i can t even say it. he didn t just work for ronald reagan. i m referring to the cleptocrats, the thugs. paul manafort doesn t even reach michael cohen levels of
upon that. the president s lawyer and tv spokesman often is coming out with a new tweet today where he says never means never, not even after july 2nd, 2018, which is the latest deception, another perjury and more prison. trying to discredit cohen further, it plays into the president s argument that cohen cannot be trusted. and, therefore, even in his sort of finding truth moment where he s gone on capitol hill in a series of different appearances bri bringing documents, bringing his story, they are finding this big hole they claim of a pardon question and whether cohen wanted it, didn t want it, solicited it, did not. and there is a dividing line here and giuliani is trying to exploit that to say cohen cannot be believed. lonnie davis is trying to say there is a point in time that is an appropriate way to say before and after. it makes it murky. that does not help michael
and he comes across as credible. now, it is quite clear that he has lied, he has said he has lied, he s going to jail. given, the difference between him and the republicans, who were grilling him, asking him if he was going to enjoy going to jail, considering the president lies every day. i want to get to the pardon question. there s a whole issue about that. willie, take it away. kirstjen nielsen appeared before the homeland security committee and members of congress did not hold back when it comes to donald trump and his administration s policies, including the use of cages to hold detained migrant children. are we still using cages for
statement. so if you put together what we know donald trump s first lawyer, john dowd did around the time or actually before the time manafort and flynn were charged, they dangled pardons in front of him reportedly, if cohen is another person around whom a pardon was suggested, you certainly have a pattern of attempting to obstruct their testimony or their cooperation after they were entangled. right. that s why the pardon question is such a big question for all of these guys, including cohen. but anybody who brings it up brings it up in the middle of their investigation and prosecution is obviously meddling with obstruction of justice in a major way. that s why it s such a red-hot topic and why the lawmakers are trying to figure out how much meat is really there. devlin and glenn, make me smarter. sometimes i have to google what you ve said after the show, but i appreciate all of it. thank you for spending time with us. after the break, a stunning new piece of reporting document
secretary didn t say yes, but she didn t rule it out either. what you expecting in court right now? reporter: roger stone just entered the courtroom wearing a blue suit and a blue tie. he is expected to be arraigned in just a few moments once the proceedings get underway on the seven charges of witness tampering, false statements and obstruction. roger stone has said he has been on quite a publicity tour. he said he will plead not guilty to the charges. each charge faces as much as five years in prison. we are expecting to hear from roger stone after the hearing. he is expected to speak outside the courthouse to reporters. over the weekend in one of these many interviews that roger stone gave he was asked specifically about the pardon question and said he has had absolutely no conversations with the president about that. there is that until it changes, of course. there is a lot that will be