minute left. we have learned that what trump says on the campaign trail often not what his lawyers actually argue in court. your sense of what the defense is going to look like? well, what we know is that the defense attorney that has been abruptly removed from the team, quit or fired, had already tried to plea out in this case, before the case was even charged. i have no idea what these lawyers will be able to do. you need a client who actually wants to participate, who actually cares about what s happening in a court of law. that is not what they have with the former president of the united states. i monique pressley, thank you so much for being with us. david, you are sticking around. next, the pardon primary, how candidates desperate to court trump voters are flirting with disaster. plus the security concerns of trump s potential court dates. why law enforcement officials have georgia on their mind. but first to richard lui, he standing by to look at the other big stories we re
trump. and we all will have to see what happens from here. david, it is just so striking to me when we talk about the threats to our democracy. you remember the fox banner that came up, want to be dictator? then the producer got fired by fox for the matter. but now you have a u.s. senator, ted cruz, just out there on right-wing media, using the same incendiary language to talk about this president of the united states. right? it s not just donald trump, the man himself, that is a threat to this democracy. yeah, alicia, i m afraid we could be entering a very dangerous chapter in american history. we certainly hope not. but i m not reaching for a hyperbole on that. donald trump is framing this, and republicans like ted cruz and others are framing this, around the weaponization of the government, against the former
racing to crazy right? could they be crazier than the next one imparted promising a pardon for something they don t know. i would say, i think mike pence has continued to play this right. set aside all of his hypocrisy around so many of these issues, but he is the one who has said, let s let due process play out. the allegations are serious. let donald trump respond. as a republican, he gets to say maybe he won t be found guilty. why should you think he s guilty? i think it actually triangulate s the president. to say, let donald trump prove himself in court. let him defend himself in court. i would even suggest for mike pence and others, i hope donald trump asked for a speedy trial. let s ask this for right now. it starts to pinch donald trump in this primary. of course, miami mayor, francis juarez, entered the race this week. i m sure you saw the interview where he bobbed and weaved and tried to do anything other than answer the question of what he thinks about the indictment aga
if i became president of the united states, i think the pardon power, one of the possible reasons for using the pardon powers to heal the country. so you know, who knows what will happen. he s innocent until proven guilty. he has not been proven guilty. but certainly if i became president, one thing i would look at as president, is using the pardon power to heal the country. that was in an interview with my colleague here at msnbc, josé díaz-balart, we are hearing that argument quite a bit down. that pardoning trump would somehow heal the country. i do not buy it, do you? no. i don t. i actually think, if this becomes the seminal question of this general election, will the republican nominee pardoning now convicted donald trump, i think the republican nominee loses the general election. i think a lot of these people, from francis flores, to nikki haley, to whomever, need to be very careful with this issue. i mean it, alicia, i think they might see value in a republican primary.
states, or by merrick garland, but by the grand jury. by citizens, to indict donald trump. and we all will have to see what happens from here. david, it is just so striking to me when we talk about the threats to our democracy. you remember the fox banner that came up, want to be dictator? then the producer got fired by fox for the matter. but now you have a u.s. senator, ted cruz, just out there on right-wing media, using the same incendiary language to talk about this president of the united states. right? it s not just donald trump, the man himself, that is a threat to this democracy. yeah, alicia, i m afraid we could be entering a very dangerous chapter in american history. we certainly hope not. but i m not reaching for a hyperbole on that. donald trump is framing this, and republicans like ted cruz and others are framing this, around the weaponization of the