about, criminal justice reform. you ve been working with this white house on this very issue. does the outcome in johnson s case give you optimism of actually getting where you see this going? look, i do have optimism. it s funny because i always say about the trump white house and jared kushner, we got 99 conflicts but prison ain t one, okay? jared s dad went to prison for a white-collar crime. he understands that prisons are it s a disaster right now. too many people in prison for too long for dumb stuff. we can do something about that. let s do something about that and i also think that president trump, when he did pardon alice johnson, you know, some of his pardons are hard to understand, but that one, you have to admit, was a great one. he got positive feedback for it. i think he may do more. we need shorter sentences. we need better treatment when they re in there, and we need more opportunities when they come out and i think both parties can agree that we america s governm
you can pardon someone who hasn t been charged. most famously gerald ford pardoned richard nixon before he was charged with anything. i don t know how that would work in the context of someone who is no longer alive. frankly, i think this was a shiny object for all of us to look at. i don t think it has a great deal of significance one way or the other. just in terms as a practical matter, unlike jack johnson, who actually was convicted in a case widely regarded to be unjust, the ali situation is different in the sense that there is no conviction for him to be pardoned for. of course muhammad ali is beloved around the world. what do you make of this? the president is considering pardoning another celebrity. of course earlier this week he did pardon alice johnson at the behest of kim kardashian.
private remarks. he went on about his popularity, political endorsements, defense department purchasing guidelines and coal. trump says he has the absolute right to pardon himself and on kim kardashian west s advice he did pardon alice johnson and he said he was considering pardoning mohamed ally who doesn t need a pardon since his conviction was overturned by the court. trump continued to bash the special counsel calling it unconstitutional. it s not. trump s lawyer rudy giuliani said robert mueller is trying hard to frame donald trump. ended the week by finally new obstruction charges against manafort and one of his long-time business associates. trump keeps talking, mueller keeps working. the so-called witch hunt snags another witch. are you tired yet? are you numb? i m not done.