are you going to stand up against him, something that very few in your party has done at all, let alone consistently. that s the big question about the political stop here. the president s grip on the party, it s hard to see mcconnell doing anything to stop this and get the votes for it. so what s going to happen? well the other way to challenge this is to sue. we re prepared to respond to it. they have to show what s called standing. that means that you have been arguably agrieved by the action that was taken. it s a little bit of precedent for that. in 2015 when the republican lead house was allowed to sue over obamacare and the alleged spending of public money, not authorized by congress constitution says we have to appropriate the money. not him. then there are states attorney general. you see courts willing to let
you re fwoing to do that. the question is what precedent do you want to set with your president? are you going sto stand up against him. something very few in the party have done at all. let alone consistently. the president grip on the party. no matter how gop it s hard to do anything to stop this and get the votes. what will happen. the other way to challenge this is sue. we won t review our options and respond appropriately to it. all right. what s that mean? democrats can t just sue because they don t agree. they have to show standard. you have been arguably aggrieved by the action that was taken. there s precedent for that. 2015 when the republican led house fts allowed to sue over obamacare. and the aled spending of public money not authorized by congress. that would be the standard. constitution says we have to appropriate the money. not him. all right.
government shutdown. paul: right. the question is how is he going to get that back in the public eye. paul: i want to get there. i want to ask you, kim, a a lot of the restrictionists on the shutdown, a lot of people who have been pushing the president to do whatever it takes to get the funding for the border or wall are now blaming him for following their advice. i guess they wanted to see his approval rating fall even lower? is that fair criticism? no, and it s mystifying, paul. look, here s what we just learned from this shutdown, okay? for years now we ve had a number of people on the conservative side say, you know, shutdowns can work if only you are just tough enough, okay? but you go back to 2013 when the republicans shut down the government over obamacare, it didn t work, it wasn t a successful strategy. you still have those people who go, oh, well, if you hold out even longer, it might have. we just had a president hold out
illegal immigration among those immigration hawks support president donald trump. that s the irony here, steve. the campaign e-mail today i think a lot of people reacted to that, saw that as being in poor taste. we re in the middle of a government shutdown that is now reaching its 29th day, 800,000 federal workers are about to go through their second pay period without a paycheck. here the trump campaign is fundraising off this. i don t think it was necessarily the right time for a campaign fund-raising email to be sent out, for them to be trying to fill their coffers, and it certainly belongs in the category that lindsey graham called sophomoric behavior when he was talking about things like the president s decision to ground speaker pelosi s plane and now this fund-raising email that was sent out earlier this afternoon. john, one of the things that strikes me as you look back on past shutdowns and you look at the polling divides about who to blame, 1995, 2013 over obamacare. the nu
but personally. it s another personal you have to worry about. we don t know if the goal is to indict or prosecute roger stone or if the goal is to turn roger stone into another person telling tales on donald trump. it gives you the impression, everything he s said, that he would don t that. and roger stone knows the president would pardon him but. and that s the big but next, we have more breaking news because this is a crucial development on the campaign finance front. the president says he had no idea that it was a violation of campaign finance law to pay off women. well, that doesn t appear to be true. he knows a whole lot about election law. a big development tonight from the wall street journal. and he signed on to sue the trump administration over obamacare, over immigration, over the president using his office to line his own pockets. will any of it stake? i ll ask the maryland attorney general brian frosh. it s the time of the season for loving