problem. i agree with you. jennifer, last word. this may be the attorney general s effort to stay in the loop. attorneys general don t like that. this may be their way to say we don t need a special counsel. maybe this will be the end of it. maybe it will. you ve both given us reason for some shades of optimism which i always welcome. two experts. appreciate both of your time. coming up, i have that special report. why turkey could be key the mueller s leverage over flynn. and my home state of washington is where much of this resistance started earlier. the governor of the state joins me tonight.
me, so sit tight. meantime, president trump is not yet ruling out a pardon for michael flynn, his national security advisor, now cooperating with special counsel bob mueller in the russian investigation. here s what trump told reporters yesterday. i don t want to talk about pardons for michael flynn yet. we ll see what happens. well, flynn has pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the fbi. joining me now once again, natas natasha bertrand. i m curious of your interpretation of the president s comment there. well, he s clearly setting the stage for a possible pardon of flynn or signal to flynn that it could be possible. it wouldn t really do trump much good to pardon him now because flynn has already been cooperating with mueller for quite some time. if you wanted to decrease the leverage that mueller had over flynn in the future, then perhaps it might be useful. but flynn has already told mueller everything that he knows, otherwise he wouldn t have gotten such a lenient charg
high ups? jon: does parts of this plea agreement say that he has agreed to cooperate with the mueller investigation, so it suggests that there are other issues here? yes, it definitely does, they would likely never give him a deal like this, a single count, and less there was something substantial. jon: bus that doesn t preclude him from bringing other charges down the road. that is correct. they could bring other charges. they also could bring other charges that the state level peered for example, new york attorney general could bring a state charge that the president could not pardon. and so, that is a substantial hammer that mueller has over flynn. in other words, if he does not cooperate as mueller thinks he is going to cooperate, if he doesn t testify truthfully, they could charge him with more, including potentially at the state level. so, that is a big, big point of
investigation who harbors these views of the president of the united states, commander-in-chief. that would seem to be kind of like a loaded investigation to me. yeah. absolutely. i have a huge problems with comey in terms of his credibility. neil: explain. i don t buy the fact that his discussion with the president over flynn is as he says it. it just doesn t pass the common sense test. he would say something to the president because he s the director of the fbi. don t believe that president trump i ve been with him a couple times himself. he s not overbearing like that. he s quite charming. neil: maybe it was the charm offensive. you get the impression it was he was trying to win him over, flynn is a nice guy. the president s lawyer denied that that happened. what do you make of it? i think even if he were doing that, vouching for a friend, that s not trying to object instruction justice.
spending 2% of their budget on defense, need to step it up. as a candidate for office, president trump called attention repeated to the fact that for too long, for too many this burden has not been shared fairly. if you don t yet have a plan, these are my words, not his, get one. nbc s lucy kafanav is with us. he al reporter: this is the first time the vice president took questions from the press on this so-called global reassurance tour and this is the very first time he addressed the scandal over mike flynn s resignation. he was asked by a member of the media whether he felt he was left out of the loop by the white house over flynn s