report put it at 30,000. how can the president claim that isis is defeated in syria? here is the thing. i will reinforce some of the things both nick paton walsh and barbara starr said. this was very surprising to me not only the announcement, but the timing. i don t understand why it is happening now. the u.s. forces have just started an offensive with the syrian defense forces and the curds against the town which is considered an isis stronghold. u.s. forces in another town in southern syria that the russians have said they would like u.s. forces out of there. they have stated that several times. you re talking about making boelboth the russians, the syrian bashar al assad, the iranians and the turks very happy about this move because the kurdish forces see this as us turning against them
isis put an as she was leaving the city and she survived. in the end, these are the kinds of real threats that local forces are facing every single day. if you go through the cemeteries, those are the young women and the young men who have put their lives on the line in the fight against isis. so the fragile stability which has allowed moms to send their kids to school which has allowed mothers to tell their sons not to join isis. all of that stability which has allowed the u.s. to keep an eye on iran, on russia and on the syrian regime and keep isis from reemerging, that is what i think is thank you both for your expertise. it is invaluable this morning on this very significant breaking news. lieutenant general mark hurtling, thank you both. coming up, a rare and muneumental bipartisan win. what it could mean for prison
degree. you really have to look at the timing here. that is the absolute key thing. to the north, turkey is very explicitly threatening to march into that part of syria and take on those syrian kurdish fighters that are allied with the u.s. and the fight against isis. people are saying we are not going to do that when the u.s. is still there, potentially risking the lives of u.s. military on the ground there. this appears to be possibly influenced by that timing. i think many will be asking how the u.s. sold the allies against isis out to try to implicate turkey. nick paton walsh with a view from the ground there seems to contradict what the president is claiming. let s bring in retired general hurtling. the most recent pentagon i.g.
any refugees until we can figure out a better vetting system, there, we didn t really do anything. we didn t intervene.ny we let assad, the butcher, kill his people, which created a refugee situation all on its own. we have nothing to do with that. am i wrong??. bill, i hate to say this, but you are wrong. because the u.s. has been involved in covert action in working with turkey, saudi arabia, and qatar in financing jihadists who come for maybe 100 different countries into syria to try to knock off the syrian government and establish a caliphate. bill: all right, you re saying a covert action against assad. but that is a small part of it. assad would have murdered these people anyway. no, no, no. bill: because they don t like him. come on. i am not defending assad. you have to look at syria as a
laws. wars create refugees, and president obama, both in syria and in lebanon, has backed conflicts which have created so that is something, if he is involved in the debate, he should have to answer that. bill: mr. kucinich joins us now from cleveland. we both agreed that president obama is partially responsible for the refugee chaos. explain your point of view for us.. i m opposed to u.s. intervention, it costs our nation dearly. $6 trillion since 9/11. we have a right to defend ourselves. but look, iraq, president bush s watch, created an enormous amount of refugees. libya and syria created a lot of refugees. that was president obama s watch. if you don t have wars,ha you don t create refugees. so there has to be some responsibility that has to be taken by the president. bill: okay. i see it a little bit differently because in syria, which is ground zero for the refugee problem, and that is thl country that president trump has said, we are not going to take