conspiracy case against five members of the proud boys. what can you tell. is it is kind of this extraordinary moment where you have, the problem is tha donald trump famously told a stand back and stand by whil on the debate stage. that was evidence in court, an played for the jurors very early on in this case. and you also have a case where enrique and allow the proud boys are essentially blaming donald trump or at least lawyers ar blaming donald trump, becaus they say that basicall prosecutors want to make them scapegoat for donald trump they re basically trying t play for the jurors, and i think that they think th jurors are not big trump fans, they want to play for that basically that this is all his fault he sent them all down as the capital, they re trying to go after these minor players but there s a lot of evidenc in these cases, and we hav seen instances where there i something that the fbi must, which is this one defendant wh had a can of pepper spray. this was something
oversaw the trump organization prosecution. because he now has the entir context. he can see what is comin around the corner, he sort o knows what to expect from th parties. the court systems are a very interesting system once you go into that courtroom and yo have the judge up on the bench and you have the parties and council table and you have the jurors there it sort of take on a very good, usually, goo system of its own. and all of the politics, all o the rhetoric outside, it doe not get into the core group. i think as a judge, this judge says his first sense o responsibility is going to b for the jurors the judges have a very protective nature about th jurors these are people who hav surrendered their daily lives, they have come into this syste that most of them don t have much familiarity with, and the are asked to do something of incredible importance where th consequences can be very severe
so i think that it will enable him, if in fact he keeps the case for trial, it will enable him to run a more informed and probably more efficient trial, because he can see around th corners and he has more contex for the decisions that he make during the trial all right david. you talked about your concerns about th judge making this a fair trial and the importance of jurors i this case to not fee intimidated. especially when you have people like kevin mccarthy and others going afte the da. why not more people in the media going after th jurors, were going after the judge? what precautions woul you like this you taken from - taken for the safety of thes individuals, given how high-profile it is and how w have seen calls by peopl across for protest, as i mentioned people on the righ both in the conservative media circles as well as republica politicians? we all, as americans, have
but the prosecutor said ther was no match that male dna was run throug the national database. still, it seems to be breaking point proving that someone else wa in the garage that night we knew that that was probably the key to solvin this we didn t know that person b name, but by god we knew him b dna profile. finally, it was up to th jurors as reporters lingered in th hallway, the jury deliberate for three days guilty, guilty. david cam was found guilt of killing his wife an children the jury comes back and guilty as charged. that s what we wanted and now we feel like jill brad they can be at peace then an emotional outburst. before i knew it, i was standing up and screaming, you are wrong, you re wrong. and a few people had to take m out of the courtroom and you are being walked of and chains you re not leaving tha courthouse
supporting me and backing me. it s almost an implicit e1threa. so of coursee1 that includes th jurors in downtown manhattan who really didn t have a choice as to how they were going to do their civic duty. they re just trying to do their civic duty. this kind of intimidation, itw3 cannot be answered by bowing to it. so i thinki] the entire countrys unfortunately being held hostag% at the moment to thati] intimidation and we can t have th[ frank, to mara s point given everything you have seen, you re certainly the law enforcement expert here in this conversation. have we reached the threshold of intimidation with what trump has done, with the way speaker mccarthy has gone after alvin bragg, saying they want to investigate him,5a■ this reacti from republicans, people like rand paul saying thatu