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well. today we are in a position where we don t know the direction we are heading into the future. shuttle has been a bridge to building the space station science it should be serving as a bridge exploration well beyond our orbit moon and mars. we have no plans for that right now. it s a failure of national leadership. neil: russians are looking to get a man on mars in the next 20 years. what are we doing? what are our goals? i think our goals should be to move ourselves beyond the space station incrementally. we can build some stations that can carry us nearby to the asteroids, take us to the surface of the moon again where gene has been. he was one of my heros growing up. that same system can be expanded to take us to mars with an international partnership. we shouldn t worry about somebody else getting there ahead of us. we have the technique logical edge. we won t keep it for long unless we a goal to aspire to. neil: you shouldn t say around gene you admired him growing up be

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