keep this narrative alive he s this great victim, he s the president but he s still this victim fighting an evil battle against him from these evil foes. how do you stop it? how do you combat it? propaganda works. if you study the history of british or soviet prop gaaganda works. i think that s all the opposition trump is struggling with right now is what is our story other than saying trump is a liar and a racist and all that s true, but still part of his story. and getting your own story i think is really the challenging part of the opposition. it s interesting you say media access plays a big part in it. do you just stop reporting on it even though the american people have to know. i think it s difficult i think report rers are in a toug
isn t to be believed. there was also a gentlemen who basically spent most of the rally instead of turning around and listening to what the president was saying, i assume a strong supporter of president trump, just yelling at and berating the journalists who were there to report on it. this is something we ve become used to particularly my colleagues who covered the campaign and trump rallies during the campaign. it s sort of what he does and at various points in the rally and he did tonight a couple of times sort of exerts people to turn around and ridicule and insult the press. and they do that very enthusiastically. you want to undercut the objective reporting of the truth so you can sort of have your narrative and tell whatever story you want to tell. well, whub sad to be that angry. i can t imagine. thank you, appreciate it. when we come back on the
of what the special counsel is looking at, and there s been no leaks of this investigation. he s been very careful to make it, you know, difficult to discern what s going on. when we found out a few weeks ago about the list of questions he wanted to ask the president between the president and the special counsel s team, there were some questions in there about jeff sessions. and it s become clear he s a focus of this investigation. and we wanted to know what it was he might know. and as i ve said the president has said something publicly about being angry about sessions recusal. but the idea of stepping aside could be quite significant and the subject of the investigation. you and your colleague also
election and trump campaign associates had been communicating with people from moskow. and that s why the informant was sent in not to investigate trump the candidate but to investigate whether and how the russians were trying to interfere in or electoral politics. tim, you say the president is successful offers these stream line slogans, speaks with confidence and authority. you say it s media access. the conspiracy theories are really part of a crucial propaganda campaign. it keeps people in and doing what he does the best, which is absolutely mast r ter the battlr attention. it s always about his story, what s going on here. and the conspiracy theories help
plus we re learning tonight that the president didn t just blast attorney jeff sessions from recusing himself from the russia investigation, he demanded he reverse his decision. sessions stood his ground but now robert mueller is very interested in that confrontation and what it means for the obstruction investigation. that is according to the new york times. and in a moment i m going to talk to one of the reporters who broke that story. so thank you so much for joining us, everyone. i want to bring in new frank bruiny of the new york times, and also april ryan, white house correspondent for raid dio networks. they both traffic in conspiracy theory and both traffic in bigotry, that roseanne is trump s avatar? that is what i thought this morning. if you re talking about using twitter in this incredibly divisive, in his case borderly