caused the shooter to drop a bag of ammo, he was not on campus, basically had no involvement in the situation whatsoever. the shooter got into the classroom two minutes later and just started killing. anita: bill. john: bill, you think an alarm had to have gone off across the school when he started shooting rounds at the school, and how that door got left open after that is anyone s guess. bill, great reporting again. thanks for joining us and see you at the top of the next hour. chris swecker former assistant fbi director. you know, chris, there s no kind way to put it. it s like there were a lot of missteps here. chris: a lot of things went wrong, john. i watched the press conference with colonel mccraw and i served with him in the fbi 25 years, this is his second career and i know how painful that was for him. but i think he showed a lot of
situations before, law enforcement like to have these press conferences together to show a unified front, to show they are working together. we had texas dps and the fbi out here. unless i missed it, there was no uvalde police to answer questions about what happened and i find that to be quite notable. john: let me just go over one aspect of the timeline. we know the vortac team fro border patrol arrived at 12:15 at the school but did not go in until 35 minutes later to breach the door. and in the ensuing time, at 12:44, a student got the cell phone from a teacher, called 911 and begged 911 to send in the police. so there were kids who were still at risk inside the school calling 911 themselves and meantime the team is assembling, doing not sure what, before the breach. do we have any idea why it took
solutions that everybody can get behind. john: in addition to the door and the school resource officer, why did the person who was the incident commander before vortac got there say you know what, the active shooter part of this is over, barricaded subject, let s wait. i mean who knows how many children bled out in that time. absolutely. and steve mccraw, the commander of the texas department of public safety is one tough character but he knows his business when it comes to law enforcement to i trust him. a couple of officers were grazed by slugs coming through the door, lots of things brought us to this moment. we have rules and procedures in place that say keep the doors locked, and to say that school safety officer has to be on duty and why those two things didn t happen i didn t know, but a lot
conference about that. there was discussion early on that isd, consolidated isd for uvalde, resource officer had confronted the subject, that did not happen. anita: a lot of information getting cleared up, there was no school resource officer to confront the shooter. i ve been waiting for this information to come out to get a better idea and you know, we see from history and places like st. mary s county, maryland, dixon, illinois, and olathe, kansas, when the sros are trained they make a difference. they stop the shootings before they proceed further. clearly there was not an sro on the campus and you mentioned the door propped open. it s something that we harp on constantly as sros, as a former sro myself, a constant thing to
school a teacher propped that door open, the doors are supposed to be locked when the kids are in the classroom. have you heard any explanation or any talk there as to why in the world that teacher would have left that door propped open even after he crashed his pickup truck into that culvert and started shooting at people at the funeral home and then was firing rounds into the school? bill: john, i ve got the exact same questions. it s unfathomable, and such a small decision had such a big impact. but what we are being told is the teacher first opened that door at 11:27 a.m., propped it open, one minute later, 11:28 is when the suspect crashed the car, gets out, the teacher apparently goes back in to get a cell phone and that s when the door was propped open after the