in-water work with him and they haven t because he was involved in two previous deaths, and he had clearly demonstrated he couldn t be trusted with a person in the water with him, so they did no in the water work with him but from the video i saw, they did get into a ramp, on to a ramp that allowed them to submerge up to the waist or beyond. and so that s how he pulled the trainer into the water, because she was, in fact, wading in pretty deep water and i think they re going to have to stop that, and therefore, that direct contact is going to have to become even less so, and again, he ll become very isolated that way. bill: i apologize for the interruption. tili was not born in captivity. no, he was captured. bill: why not release him into the wild? is that possible? i m not sure. he s been in captivity for 27 years, he s an older male, i m not saying his personality could become independent again but it would have to be done gradually and what may in