in ukraine on your behalf? well you have to ask that to rudy, but rudy, i don t know i don t know he was going to ukraine and i think he cancelled a trip. rudy has other clients other than me. you didn t joining me now is joyce vance and former u.s. attorney, mayy wiley and barbara mcquaid, nbc contributor and former u.s. attorney. thank you all for being here. joyce, i ll start with you first. let s go back to the second thing i talked about. this was the fact that donald trump has claimed that when he was talking in july to the president of ukraine that he never asked him for anything. they backed that up with claiming that on september 7th and september 9th he literally says the words no quid pro quo. he knew there was a whistle-blower complaint that busted him for trying to get
investigation. sondland told taylor that he had made a mistake by telling the ukrainians that an oval office meeting was dependent on a public announcement of investigations. in fact, everything was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance. but even the announcement by the prosecutor general would not satisfy the president. on september 7th, sondland spoke to the president and told tim morrison and bill taylor about the call shortly thereafter. the president said that although this was not a quid pro quo, if president zelensky did not clear things up in public, we would be at a stalemate. moreover, announcement by the prosecutor general would not be enough. president zelensky must personally must announce personally that he would open the investigations. sondland told him that president trump was a businessman. when a businessman is to sign a check to someone who owes him, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the
prosecutor general would go to the mic and announce he was opening the burisma investigation. sondland told taylor he had made a mistake by telling ukrainians that an oval office meeting was dependent on a public announcement of investigations. in fact, everything was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance. but even the announcement by the prosecutor general would not satisfy the president. on september 7th, sondland spoke to the president and told morrison and taylor about the call shortly thereafter. the president said that although this was not a quid pro quo, if president zelensky did not clear things up in public, we would be at a stalemate. an announcement by the prosecutor general wouldn t be enough. president zelensky must personally that he would open the investigations. sondland told taylor that president trump is a
investigation. on september 7th, ambassador sondland had a telephone call with trump and asked him what he wanted from ukraine. according to morrison, who spoke with ambassador sondland after the call, he insisted there was no quid pro quo. president zelensky must personally announce the opening of the investigations and he should want to do it. he also said that if president zelensky didn t agree to make a statement, the u.s. and ukraine would be at a stalemate, meaning it would not receive the much needed security assistance. morrison had a sinking feeling after the call as he realized that the ask was now being directed by zelensky himself and not the prosecutor general as he had relate to his senior ukraine aid in warsaw on september 1st. while president trump claims there was no quid pro quo, his insistence that zelensky himself was publicly announcing investigations whether it be a
about that conversation is. you confirmed everything that ambassador taylor told you weeks over that one thing in a small other at ministerial matter relating to a location of a meeting? correct. did you tell ambassador bolden about this meeting as well? i reached out to him as well and requested his availability for a secure phone call. what was his response when you relate to him what ambassador sondland had said? tell the lawyers. did you tell the lawyers? when i returned to the state. on september 7th, you spoke again to ambassador sondland who told you that he had just gotten off the phone with president trump. isn t that right? that sounds correct. what did he tell you that president trump said to him? the conversation correctly, this is when ambassador sondland related that there was no quid pro quo, but president zelensky