obviously there could be holes, last-minute holes that are being filled, whether it s bernie kerik or people are suddenly cooperating he would be not cooperating before, that s another possibility. but i still think we are really close to the finish line. we just don t know exactly where that line is. arp, andrew mentions bernie kerik and for those who ve not been following this saga of bernie kerik as pertains to january 6th and the claims of a stolen election, he was working on a report for rudy giuliani and has now turned over the notes from this report to the special counsel s office after basically foot-dragging for a while. it sounds like that report contains a lot of and this is not an official term, who we. including false allegations of voter fraud, research under minions securing systems executive, shoddiest istanbul analyses, and witness
election, he s pretty well acknowledge that he s lost. so he had something to the effect that i don t want people to know that we lost, this is embarrassing. figured out, we need to figure it out, i don t want people to know that we lost. that tension between what trump was saying publicly about the 2020 election and what trump was admitting to in private, that is what special counsel jack smith appears to be zeroing in on at least according to the reporting that we have in these closing days of the federal investigation. so what does all of this tell us and where might this all be headed? joining us now is andrew weissmann, special member of robert mueller s team and co-host of the prosecuting donald trump podcast and of course with his federal former prosecutor barbara mcquade. andrew weissmann first let me start with you. we are on high alert at all times, every time i get upping on my phone i m convinced this is it and it s go time for a potential doj indictment.
the federal courthouse in washington, d.c. where a grand jury may be on the verge of indicting the former president for his attempt to overturn the 2020 election. that grand jury did not meet today. we do not know why they didn t meet or what this means for this investigation, but the jury is expected to meet again on thursday. in the meantime, we have significant revelations about what special counsel jack smith may be investigating. this week we ve got new reporting that the special counsel has been focusing in on a white house meeting on valentine s day of 2020. february 14th which was of course months before election day. on that day, president trump reportedly met with senior u.s. officials and white house staff to discuss the election itself. and during this meeting, the president was apparently bragging, not just about, while all the things he brags about, but just how secure the election was going to be.
biden in a general election. and nearly half of them do not think that charges hurt trump at all. now this poll tracks with a larger trend we ve seen among republican voters, that despite all the evidence to the contrary none of this is a big deal to them. at least as it concerns a existing indictments. what happens if special counsel jack smith brings forth charges related to say trump s role in the january 6th insurrection or his efforts to overturn the 2020 election? or say if fulton county d. a. fani willis decides to charge trump with criminal solicitation to commit election fraud? what happens then? joining us now to answer this is claire mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri. always great to have. you i know you and i ve been following what has been going
and he repeated them again and again up until the election. this mail-in voting for the mail indiscriminately millions of millions of ballots to people. you re never gonna know who won the election, you cannot. we have to be very careful with the ballots. the ballots that s a whole big scam. the biggest problem we have right now are the ballots. millions of ballots going out. that s the biggest problem. in november, trump lost the election. at that point, trump had so poisoned the well against mail-in voting, and told everyone in his party that it was a scam, that those mail-in ballots ultimately in the end favored democrats. and all the groundwork that trump had been laying with repeated claims about ballot fraud, that became his justification for not conceding the election. when the mail-in ballots were finally counted, and they tipped key races to joe biden, trump claimed that the election was rigged, that he was the