i did not think it was as big as other people thought. because cross-examination is never the end of the story. i was going to wait to see what happened on redirect. it changed a lot to your advantage. but you know what i m talking about. it was the todd blanche moment. the phone call that you identified it happening at 8:02 p.m. and todd blanche insisted to you based on text messages that were part of the record before that. when you got keith on the phone and you have to speak to donald trump about the stormy daniels payoff. in fact, you were calling him about the phone treatment that you are suffering at the time. surely you spend the entire time speaking about the harassing phone calls. your testimony changed. in the moment you talked about it to donald trump. there were legal analyst on the
is saying looking at that. sure his own expert is saying he s guilty. you can just envision what the murder weapon is, bludgeoning on poor susan s head, causing blood spatter. it s a vivid picture. it sure is. on redirect, hamilton s lawyer tried to defuse the bombshell testimony by suggesting that the spatter could ve resulted from the doctor performing cpr, but his argument wouldn t be enough. it took the jurors took just two hours to reach a verdict. with the jury, to find as follows, the defendant is guilty. the doctor realized he had been scuttled by his own man, the expert on blood spatter. i still believe that the system would work and that justice would come out. i was wrong. i was horribly wrong. two weeks later, he was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.
clearly don t like him. makes sense they would do that. makes perfect sense, trying to suggest she s biased and that s why she s offering the testimony. she owned the fact she doesn t like donald trump, made the statements in social media and didn t hide it. but said firmly on redirect, i wouldn t lie under oath just because i don t like donald trump. jessica leeds, i interviewed her years ago when she surfaced with the allegations of being assaulted on an airplane. was it controversial she could testify? would all judges have allowed it? it s really interesting, because says tried in federal court, the federal rules of evidence apply. there are specific rules in cases of alleged sexual assault that are permissive of allowing in evidence of other alleged assaults by the defendants.
and that lisa birnbach honor the promise that she made to jean carroll in that conversation on the day that it allegedly happened, to keep quiet until jean carroll wanted to speak about it on her own, it s very, very powerful. also, the details that lisa birnbach gave, remember the conversation, she remembered that she was giving her children dinner around 6 pm. her recall was very specific, it made the testimony, i, thought seem quite credible. on the trump attorneys were saying, look, you ve written nasty things about the former president, you clearly don t like the former president. do you think that i guess it makes sense they would do that. it makes perfect sense they would ask those questions. they re trying to suggest that she s biased against the former president, and that s why she s offering this testimony. lisa burn birnbach she owned the fact that she is like donald trump, she s made the statement on social media, podcast, she did not hide meeting in that regard. she
trump has been attacking a number of women, not just carroll, but miss leeds, but another woman who we expect to hear from during the trial. a lot of backup and witnesses trying to bolster e. jean carroll s account. ron allen, thank you very much. joining me now is msnbc lisa urban. you spent days in the courtroom watching as e. jean carroll testified and was cross examined. what stood out for you. her story remained intact even as joe tacopina was able to chip away at minor details and as her lawyer summarized on redirect, do you believe there is one way to live one s life after being a victim of rape, she said no, there s not. it doesn t minimize that i was raped that i still shop at bergdorf goodman. the rape still happened and it doesn t mean whether i scream or