have to fight a bloody civil war or bloody revolution. reporter: that fiery language about revolution isn t new for rhodes he has been obsessed with fears of a deep state government for over a to see years. rhodes formed the oath keepers in 2009. i barack obama reporter: after america elected its first black president. his loose military-based group swears allegiance they claim to the constitution and nothing else. we will not obey orders to impose martial law. i will not obey. reporter: rhodes started out with an oath keeper blog but his messages were soon spread to millions of people by conspiracy theorists and stop the steal organizer alex jones. rhodes has been a regular on joens show for more than a dozen years. together jones and rhodes would whip up conspiracy theories and talk about government internment camps and plots to confiscate