then, you said at some point, there was a telephone conversation between the president and the vice president? is that correct? yes. when i entered the office, the second time, he was on the phone with who i later found out to be the vice president. did you hear the vice president, or only hear the president s end? only hear the president s end. it was a calmer tone and then became heated. the conversation was pretty heated. did you hear any part of the phone call? like the end of the president. as i was drops off the note, i remember hearing the word wimp. e called him a wimp. i don t remember him saying you will be a wimp. it s been reported that the president said to the vice president, something to the effect of you don t have the courage to make a hard decision. i remember it was something like that, yeah. being not tough enough to make the call. the wording is wrong. i made the wrong decision four or five years ago. the word that the president call
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capitol. we shouldn t be so surprised by it. i don t think pence probably should have been, either. probably wasn t. over the years. oliv olivia. you were in the hearing room. trump calling your former boss, pence, a wimp. another witness said he called him pussy. this call was scathing. it makes it clear what the pressure was that pence was facing that morning. no doubt. and the pressure went on for days, in the lead jaap. and the worst part of it, it was existential phasing, with the multiple layers of actors. and never mind the coordination of getting the message out of the potential ststolen election for domestic groups that were being called to arms and putting mike pence s life at risk, as a
for congress to reform the electoral count act and make clear that the vice president s role in all this is ceremonial. people were trying to fool around with this law. it could be updated. there s a group working on it in the senate. pass the reforms and take this off the table. you know, it s inconceivable in a someone this looney toons got this close to the president of the united states. phil, what scott said. olivia, you know marc short. you know greg jacob. you work for the vice president. all these people knew the scheme was happening and that it was illegal. why didn t they speak up at the time? you know, i got to say, as someone who was very outspoken prior to this day, yeah, it