investigation, you know, that then have to take a leap say those could potentially hurt joe biden and help the president. that would be the subject of a further complaint and that s what congress is trying to get to the bottom of whether that, in fact, is improper conversation for the president of the united states to be having with a foreign leader. let me turn to professor burns. you re working as a foreign policy advisor to vice president joe biden. i want to get your reaction to the reporting and what the president had to say about this yesterday. there s nothing abnormal about him having a conversation like this with a world leader well, if this story is true, and that, you know, more information has to come forward to verify. if it s a true, it s a clear abuse of power by president trump. i can t remember any similar episode by any prior american president in our memory who
abuses. the grossest we ve seen yet. but i think what we need to do here is make sure that we have, you know, we have the house democrats have, you know, all the power to hold him accountable. we need to see them act. another principle in this story is rudy giuliani. former u.s. torn. the president s personal attorney, as well. he went on cnn on wednesday to talk about the story. let s take a little bit of a listen to what he had to say during a 30 minute interview. did you ask the you ukraine to investigate joe biden? no. the allegations there was sfwer feerns in the election of 2016 by the ukrainians for the benefit of hillary clinton for which you never asked anything about hunter biden? you never asked anything about joe biden? the only thing i asked about joe biden to get to the bottom of how it was that dismissed the case against so you did ask ukraine to
situations. martha: so you feel he made the right choice, given the fact that they were about to determine. these two things were unconnected. and knowing jeff sessions like i do, i would absolutely have total confidence in that there was never anything in his behavior that was incorrect. adrienne, in terms of the ohr story this week. just as one example of people who are close to the story, does it bother you to learn that he had meetings with glenn simpson, that he had meetings with christopher steele who came up with that dossier? because one of the main questions that remains here is whether or not the dossier is the document that this investigation was hinged upon. well, look, there is no proof out there that the dossier is why the fbi opened this investigation in the first place. the fbi opened this investigation because there were clear signs that russia was possibly colluding with the trump campaign to alter the elections results. secondly, the does yarks i