donor-based system like the fair election system that s up for debate in congress. and that s exactly the debate that somebody like myself would probably get into with you, and that i would argue any money is corrupting money. but that s the whole point of this fall debate. and that s why this is so exciting. if you look at this, leo, and look at the energy at these there s 1,300 occupations. it s not occupy wall street, it s occupy earth at this point. certainly by virtue of its wave. how do you interpret the collective energy, whether it is the occupation movement, whether it is the energy, for something like this petition, or the energy we saw under obama or the energy we saw under the tea party. this energy is not going anywhere. all of these movements start small and they try to find their definition as things evolve. what s really important, dylan, is that you and others add to their discussion, to their debate, to their protest. this issue, as nick just described, of money
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so he s now down to showing the america people, all right, i got this $447 billion deal, i can pay for it, we can pay for it, we can get it done and the republicans are saying no to this too. you be the judge. and at the same time, we both know forget jobs. heavy lift. we ve got health, we ve got learning, we ve got all these things. and there s a sense, if you look at the occupation movement, if you look at the overall frustration that the government doesn t understand doesn t understand maybe is the wrong characterization. that the government is not willing to try to resolve the problems on the magnitude that they actually exist. whether it s our debt, which is in the tens of trillions. whether it s our jobs, which is in the tens of millions. whether it s in the cost and issues with our poverty, which is, as we know, a fifth of our country. how do you think we resolve the sense that we re not getting the scale of response? well, if you were to get the money out of politic
incredible journalism by the two of you. no insult intended to cowboys. i love cowboys. thank you. although i m actually a cubs fan now, so don t get i can t be a cowboy fan too. although i suppose i could on the football front. steve mims and joe bailey, the movie is insendisend yair, a of you here. chris matthews following the rising tide of the status quo and the occupation movement that is spreading across this country. but next, continuing a critically important conversation about how we can all work together to invest our passions and our resources to align to create jobs in this country. ed schultz, right after this. [ cellphone rings ] cut! [ monica ] i have a small part in a big movie. i thought we d be on location for 3 days, it s been 3 weeks. so, i used my citi simplicity card to pick up a few things. and i don t have to worry about a late fee.
but go ahead. i guess what i m saying, people have to, again, keep their keep moving forward. and not get kind of lured in by elected officials or other people who want to help them. you know, you have to be a little curious about some of the union backing, for example. where s some of the agenda there? well, before we go, you said something before we came out here, that you thought was the most brilliant thing, that the messaging of those in the occupation movement, and i want you to share that with everybody. in the last 24 hours, on tuesday, with i said, one of the problems they have is that they seem all over the place. nowรง what s happened is, that have turned that into a message. they re so angry about this, this, and that. and not letting the press pigeonhole them. so by standing united behind, we refuse to be pigeonholed, they actually have a strong message. very quick? go cubs. go cubs, baby. go cubbies. that s it.