do you think that the department of justice obviously there weren t criminal referrals for things like witness intimidation or witness tampering well, actually there was, obstruction. sorry, go ahead. we did refer the obstruction issue for further investigation specifically the footnote on the hutchinson testimony from september, but we also said the fact that we didn t mention people by name did not didn t mean we meant to exclude them and certainly there s a lot more work that would need to be done and the department of justice has investigatory tools that mere legislative committees do not have. congresswoman zoe lofgren, a member of the outgoing january 6th committee which wraps tomorrow with the rest of this congress, thank you for your service on the committee. you and your colleagues and thank you for your time tonight. thank you, i was proud to serve. indeed. all right, we ll be right back. stay with us.
judge. he has national security experience, he was on the fisa court. he s not been so he s in a position he can actually cynthia there we go. i think, you know, while definitely the department of justice needs to appeal to the 11th circuit, and they may stay everything that judge dearie is going to do. she has not addressed the law that the warrants were based on and she s not dealing with the whole obstruction issue or frankly the declassification issue. so one of two things is going to happen. judge dearie can try to get it right or the 11th circuit can stay and get it right. i lost you for a bit. i was wondering if you can
coaching. legally, arguably, it is kind of an obstruction issue. i mean, the impeachment wasn t a court trial. but that kind of coaching really, again, reveals what s really going on with what trump s trying to do then. if he is telling him say these things because we can still stop the election results, that really is part of the conspiracy to obstruct congress and to have this insurrection. you know, and going to the point that ryan made about the enforcement issue, it is hard for congress to take a step for them to enforce against him because it s kind of unprecedented and i think the real question s gonna be is where is the justice department on this? because they would have methods of enforcement particularly if they issued grand jury subpoenas. shan, abby, jonathan, thank you all very much. and next, it is a groundbreaking covid treatment that could prevent more than a million hospitalizations, we re told. but most of the doses aren t coming for months months. why?
very good thursday morning. i m jim sciutto. i m poppy harlow. congressman matt gaetz s legal troubles may have just gotten a lot worse. the department of justice is investigating the florida republican for a potential attempt to obstruct justice. sources tell cnn that investigators were told gaetz and an associate discussed a plan to talk to gaetz s ex-girlfriend about the federal sex crimes investigation. she s a potential key witness in this. cnn has produced a report that gaetz is under investigation for sex trafficking and prostitution tied to an alleged sexual relationship with a minor. gaetz has strongly denied having sex with a 17-year-old and has not yet been charged with any wrongdoing. let s get right to cnn senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid. on this obstruction issue, is the allegation here that there was an intent or discussion of influencing testimony of this
we look at the obstruction issue. the president like every other past president has exerted executive privilege, they don t like it when there is a dispute between the legislative branch and the executive branch, that would be the role of the judicial branch which is to resolve disputes between the other branches of government but apparently they are in such a rush to do this that they didn t want to give the courts any time or they feared what the courts would decide. it is a thoroughly political exercise, it is not like a courtroom experience. it is a political exercise. they have been doing this for three years, finally screwed up the courage to do it. it looks to me like it may be backfiring especially in swing districts the speaker s party managed to win to get to the majority. we see this with the