field is open. i m not saying he s going to. i m never going to vote for mike pence, and i m not going to encourage anyone else has a lane. i m not sure. well what line does anybody have? at this point? i think ron desantis is still trying to figure out his lane. nikki haley, mike pompeo. none of them really have established their lane because the person who is running the entire republican party is donald trump. so when you know people thought in 2008 obama didn t have a lane and then look what happened. he was our president, so it s in american politics, like history is really important. but we re playing in a whole new political landscape, and i just don t think anyone can say for sure. they know where people will fall . he should have a lame if anyone has a claim to offer to representing trumpism without donald trump, it s mike pence. um plus being a genuine evangelical who stood up for the constitution. the fact that he is so demonized by such a large segment of the trump base, i
agreed to sign off to give up his law degree on his final day in the presidency. just those last several presidents. maybe you can say obama didn t necessarily have anything or george w. bush, those guys end thed to be, i think, a little bit cleaner, but by and large, i think it s virtually the case that you could charge any major political candidate with a crime. now that d.a.s are incentivized to do it and see that there is a political value to them, i think it s going to the happen down in atlanta. i m not sure what the department of justice howard: right. but certainly, there s a republican d.a. out there now who s saying my pathway to political prominence runs through the biden white house, kamala harris or whoever is going to be the next prominent political candidate running for president or any other office. and i would suspect that there will be many more of these in the next generation. howard: yeah. it does make you wonder about whether we re headed toward an era of retal
running for president? and what is that going to mean and whoo kind of white house will it be if i run for president versus if i m not running for president? you have to make that decision first. dana: when does he have to make that decision? well, now. pretty much dana: after thanksgiving? yeah. bill: how do you game that out in your own head. if i m running it will be this way. if i m not running it will be this way. if i m running i m all about re-election. if i m not running i m all about legacy. okay? so then what do i put on the board? the first one swing voters we didn t get. where we lost, how we lost it. issues that we re deficit on. legacy, totally different board. what is it that i really want dana: isn t part of the legacy who succeeds him? obama didn t seem to place that as very high on the legacy. it doesn t seem to be much of a foreign policy notion of legacy
empty construction site surveillance cameras and leave behind a noose that the public would never see. we looked into this and the obama library has become a huge headache for the obamas. and the democrats who are running the chicago ground. apparently they have been skirting all sorts of regulations. taking shortcuts and they really upset local environmentalists who sued them for it tearing down too much trees and upsetting the migratory patterns of birds. in other words, there is a long list of angry leftists in chicago who want this thing shut down obama didn t want to cave to them. then today a shocking hate crime occurred and they have no choice but to shut the whole thing down. for months, maybe longer. because, hate has no place in chicago has nothing to do with all the other problems totally unrelated. that s the story they are telling us. and, of course, we believe it
drink with mitch mcconnell. why don t you. biden didn t like the joke. now obviously it s different because right now democrats do control most of washington. but still, biden sees it as very central to have that relationship with capitol hill. that was something that obama did not often like to do. so you saw the dynamic play out in different ways over their eight years today. in 2020, part of the reason obama didn t want to weigh in too much. he weighed in as you described, more of a friend, was because he had been against biden running in 2016, and he had really thrown his weight behind hillary clinton. does he under estimate biden at many turns? there s certainly a question, if you ask a lot of people around biden, no doubt that is the case. the 2016 experience is such an inflection point for them, not only because barack obama especially behind the scenes pushed clinton to run and