room. numbers-wise, they don t have the leverage. they managed to push their party so far left and in the process they created the leverage that will ultimately destroy them in the midterms and help republicans. it s a pre verse relationship between aoc and republicans that is playing out in front of us. carley: aoc said after the virginia race and when it went to glenn youngkin, she said the reason it did is because democrats weren t united around the progressive agenda enough and there wasn t enough excitement within the democratic party and they were too moderate. you listen to other democrats and they say and republicans are saying keep thinking that but the reality is that people are rejecting the progressive agenda and that is why glenn youngkin won the race and why there s such a big prediction that the midterms are going to go to the republican party. todd: carley, the average american doesn t necessarily say i am so entrenched in a party and they don t care about the stuff t
are we still headed, numbers-wise, as you survey the country, in the wrong direction? and what s going to really pull us out of that palpably? brian, i think we are still looking at a fairly challenging fall. we are still in this delta surge. we are about to see a lot of kids go back to school, at least some people go back to the office, some will do so with masks and improved ventilation, some will not. so i think that will lead to a bump in transmission in cases over the course of september. i think we ll see this peak around october. then we ll probably have a lull, a bit of a lull, hopefully, before the thanksgiving, christmas, and new year s holidays where we saw a triple hump of a surge, because that s when people travel, they spend time, less guarded, less masked around family and friends. and i think the main thing that
forth between about 450,000 up and down since 2010. the point is that, yeah, sure, is there a problem? okay. is it a national emergency? we have more women and children coming over now which definitely strains our capability at the border and for housing. you have seen some of the horrible tragedies that occurred because of that. look, this is a different situation. i agree. numbers-wise, it s less, but the complexity of dealing with the people who are coming is more. i don t think it is proper to say, well, less people so it s not a crisis. it is a different kind of crisis. the president last night did a good job elucidating that. joe, what will happen today? i don t know. to call this a national emergency is wrong. it s a political emergency. donald trump all during the campaign demonized immigrants and said he was going to build a wall.