then a fiery call for change. yet, nothing ever seems to do so. absolutely. jonathan, you know, the culture go ahead, mike. go ahead, rev. no, go ahead, mike. i was just going to say, i don t want to see these scenes become normalized. i hope they become wake-up calls, not just here we go through checking the box kind of procedure. yeah. you know, the culture moves incredibly quickly. we all know that, with all the tools we have. the phones and texting and it s things are ending in a second, then something else is starting up the next second. we don t have time to pause as a nation and collectively think about this. we re aware of it when these shocking, headline-grabbing events occur, whether it s in buffalo or uvalde, texas. but day by day, hour by hour,
pulitzer prize winning author and presidential historian, our friend, doris kearns goodwin. the documentary is based on her best seller leadership in turbulent times. doris, certainly we re in turbulent times right now. president biden just returned from a visit to texas yesterday after the second mass shooting this country has suffered in the last two or so weeks. talk to us about the importance of leadership and what lessons this president perhaps could draw from the experiences of the president in the documentary, theodore roosevelt. i m glad to be with you this morning. thank you. doi think there are lessons to be drawn from theodore roosevelt. also drawn for us as a people, to remind us that we ve been through really difficult times before. it feels like such a cascading series of crises right now, but think of what it was like the turn of the century. industrial resolution has shaken
the problem here is that there s not a lot of time. as senate majority leader chuck schumer said, he wants to bring a vote on some sort of bill in the next two weeks. whether that is a compromise bill fashioned out by democrats and republicans where they think they can get the 60 votes, or it s a straight-up vote on the bil the house already passed that would be more restrictive of gun reform, i think that s the question, about what the bill will look like in the coming days and weeks. senator murphy sounded some hopeful notes that something could get done but, of course, we have been here before and nothing has. white house reporter at the washington post, tyler pager, thank you so much for being with us today. tyler just mentioned the timeline. let s go through it now. texas officials say it was a police chief of the uvalde school district who made the call for officers to wait to take down the gunman. according to this new timeline which has shifted a number of acatio occasion
for decades. i spoke to a family member of a 10-year-old girl who died. they said it ll leave a scar, not just now or down the road but the rest of our lives. that represents in a nutshell how so many families are feeling as they brace for what s ahead. sam brock, nbc news, back to you. thank you so sam brock for the report. we re going to get to the investigation into the police response in a moment. first, more on the president s visit to texas yesterday. joining us now, washington bureau chief at the texas tribune, abby livingston. abby, good morning. we re glad you re here with us today. this is a role the president has had to play all too often. he is one who we know speaks powerfully about grief. it wasn t two weeks prior he traveled to buffalo to pay tribute to those killed in that supermarket massacre. tell us a little bit more about what he did yesterday and the message he had for such a grieving and outraged community. well, i think it is a striking look at the style of
there are these shocking things that people are forced to live with in neighborhoods all across this country due to gun violence. los angeles, chicago, boston, new york. you name the city, big city, small town, it happens on a regular, daily basis. it doesn t make the headlines that the large and shocking school shootings do, but it is out there each and every day. reverend, you referenced being with the president last week. he is a friend of yours. yesterday, once again, the president of the united states in uvalde, texas, it was like witnessing the wounded visiting the wounded. he knows what it s like to suffer loss. loss that is just tragic and lasting and deep. loss that never goes away, never disappears, never, never, never leaves your memory. so my question to you is because of your friendship with him, he is in delaware today.