of big news, joe, on capitol hill. what a significant day. and i will tell you, i was away from the tv for a good part of the day, and started getting breaking news alerts about the hearings, started following some i had to come back, rewatch the entire hearing all over again. it really, yesterday, about as compelling of any hearing we ve seen on capitol hill since the days of watergate. i was young when the watergate hearings were on. i was upset because we had only had four channels then, and i wanted to see the flintstones and mr. ed, but my parents were sitting front, watching watergate. like everybody. and it was so compelling. and you see those clips, and it s history and you don t think you re ever going to see anything like that again. like a movie. but actually, willie, we did see something and we keep seeing, every one of these january 6th hearings. you re looking at history, you understand it, because, again, it drives home the point that maybe we ve
people who won t adopt common sense gun safety, and they start to beat people. it s like you have to start to show both that it s safe to go in this direction in a top swing district, and on the other side, if you take the vote in opposition to 85% of your constituents that you could pay a price for that. this is the start of that. we re going to have to see a couple of election cycles, if they re for gun safety or the water is dangerous to go into. if they continue to buck will of the people, that s what will start to turn the tide is demonstrable wins and losses in the electoral column. you know, willie, i m not sure we ve gotten to a point that somebody s going to lose an election because they don t take a gun safety vote, but there are plenty of examples over the past few years where republicans in
republican congressman scott perry texted a youtube link to former president trump s chief of staff mark meadows with the question, why can t we work with the italian government? again, that s from a sitting united states congressman to the chief of staff of the united states. the man in that video made an outrageous claim that italian satellites were used to switch votes from trump to biden. what s being sent out of rome, out of italy, is that this was done in the u.s. embassy. that there was a certain state department guy, whose name i don t know yet. i guess this is probably going to come out in italy at some point, and he was the mastermind, not the mastermind, but the anyway, the guy running the operation of changing the votes. and that he was not doing this in conjunction with some support from mi6, the cia, and this
very complicated appeals and civil litigation, environmental litigation, and things like that. and i said, that s right, you re an environmental lawyer. how about you go back to your office and we ll call you when there s an oil spill. and pat cipollone weighed in at one point, saying, you know, that letter that this guy wants to send, that letter is a murder/suicide pact. it s going to damage everyone who touches it and we should have nothing to do with that letter. i don t ever want to see that letter again. so we went along those lines. i thought jeff s proposal, clark s proposal, was nuts. this is a guy at certain point who said, listen, the best i can tell is the only thing you know about environmental and election challenges is they both start with e and based on your answers, i m not even sure you know that. the president said, suppose i do this, suppose i replace him, jeff rosen, with him, jeff clark. what do you do? it s just extraordinary. wow. you know, willie, t
attention to this whatsoever, how can they continue to justify this, and carry water, and contemplate the possibility of putting folks back into power. again, you have the problem of collective action. they understand they need to move on, and yet nobody is willing to stand up and say, okay, people, we really need to turn the page. there s no way to justify this. but this is what you get for following donald trump down these various rabbit holes. this has been five, six years in the making. you know, you put a liar in the oval office, a conspiracy theorist in the oval office. this is what you get, and then you have a political party that has to find a way to either ignore it, rationalize it, enable it or support it. there are moments. we talked about where history hinges and we certainly saw clips of that yesterday, but charlie just brings up, i think, an extraordinary point.