woe are awaiting big decisin today on california s same-sex marriage. we re waiting to see if a judge out there will uphold proposition 8, the people of california voted on that back in 2008. and essentially said that marriage was between a man and a woman. of we ll give you a background here. it was back in 2008 when, in fact, courts got involved in this case. so they said that the actually, the voters need to figure this out. so proposition 8 was put on the ballot in november of 2008. but proposition 8 said marriage was between a man and a woman. that, of course, has gone through a long line now of legal challenges. but we re not going to talk about the legal side of it right now. we re going to talk about the political side of it. and gloria borger can handle that for us. we don t have our jeffrey toobin. i know you deal with him a lot on the legal side. but we re going to leave the legal side as we wait for this verdict to come. we ll leave it alone for now. what does this mean t
obviously a major disappointment for those who are supporting prop 8. proposition 8, you know, went to the ballot in november of 2008 passed by a narrow majority of 52 to 48% majority. i m just being handed the court documents, wolf. i m going to read this along with you. this is the conclusion page. i m going to go ahead and read this along. it says proposition 8, this is from the judge, the judge s writing. proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. indeed, the evidence shows proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the california constitution the notion that opposite sex couples are superior to same sex couples. because california has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because proposition 8
caliifornians came together back in november of 2008 and voted their preference on the definition of marriage in california. you re absolutely right. it s a constitutional issue and that s the number one constitutional issue that they have to decide here. that s probably the only thing well agree on today. obviously people know this is the case where they brought together the legal dream team, ted olsen and david boyes who here together came together, progressive, liberal and conservative and made the case, made a surprisingly simple legal argument. two plaintiffs, two couples, two gay men and two lesbian soccer moms came into court and said we can t the laws can t treat us differently just because of our status. they wanted to be married. they ve been together for ten years and they made a surprisingly simple constitutional argument. and the only arguments the other side could make is this shouldn t happen because we ve never done it before. historically, it s always been
much government intervention in the private sector and have not fulfilled their promise to turn the economy around and i think they re going to just beat that, you know it s a very effective, loud drum and i think they re going to keep beating it all august. they look back last august during the town hall meetings about health care reform, was really when the conservatives who had taken a beating in 2008, in november of 2008, kind of found their footing. i think they re feeling is that they can continue that this august and say, everything that you were worried about a year ago has only gotten worse with health care reform, the stimulus not working, financial regulation reform. you re only a couple of months away from being able to turn things around here in washington. jamie: even if you don t live in a border state, immigration, national security is also a hot topic, it would seem, in many other states. something they may talk about as well. did they mention it? i didn t talk w
probably that iran is now able to tap. sean: so perhaps it is to coincidence that iran has erected a series of factories in this uranium rich area of venezuela. it is troubleing that iran has established some factories, a lot of people estimate that these facilitie factories are r armaments and that the ties, the so-called economic ties between iran and venezuela or perhaps syria and venezuela hide support for terrorism. sean: those suspicions are grounded in an event that occurred in november of 2008 when turkey intercepted and iranian ship bound for venezuela. aboard the ship were 22 containers labeled track tore parts and authorities found equipment capable of producing explosives. while the iranians attempt to export arms by sea a mysterious