extraneous factors like other investigations that may be under way. setting aside the timeline, which, of course, is a mystery to everybody except jack smith, probably. devlin, the strength of the case here and what we re learning about the fact evan corcoran was a copious note taker down to it reporting in the guardian says in addition to his exchange with trump corcoran described trump s facial reactions whenever they discussed the subpoena. it was said to irritate trump who only learned about them after the notes themselves were subpoenaed. this sounds like what sounds like a treasure-trove of information especially since mr. nauta isn t cooperating. i wonder how and what your questions would be for evan corcoran if you had access to these notes. what sort of passages here would be of most interest to you? so i think corcoran s account is important not so much as a
6th. and i think, lastly, it s really important to remember that it s not just cassidy hutchinson that has mentioned pat cipollone as a fly on the wall in these conversations. it s people like rich donoghue, jared kushner, as we discussed yesterday, people who said he was there for important moments. jared kushner called him a wimp for threatening to resign and threatening that the white house counsel s office would resign if trump did certain things, and rich donoghue also described him as, really, one of the only firewalls actually in the west wing to the former president s actions. you know, barbara mcquade, before him, don mcgahn was a witness to donald trump s actions and was so concerned about what he saw that he had a note taker. he had a chief of staff. and ultimately, robert mueller got ahold of don mcgahn to the tune of, i think, 20 to 30 hours of testimony. mcgahn is the key narrator of volume two of the mueller report
exoneration of the president s role, but he s pointing again to the leaving out of the peacefully heading to the capitol, no exoneration but the lack of any alternative perspective or questioning on the committee in that room. nonetheless, martha, we are learning a whole lot more, and the memory and the details around the basic framework we had, she was also known to be a very good note taker, so clearly she s providing a lot of detail for the committee and for the country today. martha: absolutely. i m not sure it shocks anybody that the president, knowing what we have seen, observing him over of the years if he got angry that he might throw his lunch. it s obviously a very dramatic detail and the way she describes it is. i m not sure it s wholly out of character of the donald trump
who do you run that by? you bring that in with the person that was right there in that meeting. she took notes. mark meadows did not like to take notes. that s why he wanted her in on all the meetings. he was a texter. she was a note taker, remember when richard donoghue had the contemporaneous notes. declare it corrupt, leave it to me and the republican congressmen. cassidy hutchinson has notes from all of these meetings, whether it s about fake electors, pressuring pence, what meadows told her about trump on january 6. every time they get new information, they go back to the woman who saw it all, was in most of the meetings, heard from everybody and run it by her again. it is interesting just to consider this young person at this very vulnerable part of her career and her life coming forward, giving answers, telling the truth to the american people which is sadly quite a contrast of what we see from members of her own party, especially elected officials in their 50s