re-election. then she wins. she doesn t just win, wins going away, easy victory for her, capitalizing on dobbs and other things this may be the first time you spent a lot of time with her face-to-face does she look like she s spent time with other young, rising stars in the democratic party? is she a young, national star in the making in the democratic field? not 2024 but beyond? yes i mean, i ve spent a little bit of time in democratic politics governor gretchen whitmer is young, and she is someone in our conversation, i asked her a lot about the threats that she has had against her. there was a kidnapping plot back in 2020. there are a number of threats against other prominent women and jewish elected officials in michigan i asked her how she thinks about that does that sit with her as she s pushing forward gun reform measures which, by the way, militia who try to target these women don t like she s pushing forward on protection of lgbtq rights she is fearless, and that s what
yet, still the democratic party has not yet had a presidential nominee, let alone a president who is a woman the time is coming where there is going to be again, if joe biden maybe will be unchallenged in 2024 and will be the democratic nominee, if it plays out the way we think it ll be. but pretty soon, the democratic party is going to embrace women who will be dominatie ing the discussion in 2028 and beyond. i don t know many democrats who don t think gretchen whitmer will be among the women in the conversation. jeagene robinson, you look at three states that if democrats win, they win the white house. wisconsin wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania if you re looking for rising stars in the democratic party, people you should bet are going to be on a national ticket sometime soon, you look at the governors of michigan and the governors of pennsylvania. you ve got two of the fastest rising stars and two of the most
a lot of them have to do with demographics a lot of them are ancient in this country i think until we can kind of confront that, it s really hard to have a rational political conversation in this country you know, the thing is, that i ve seen time and time again, doesn t matter whether it s come from a democrat or republican, optimism sells i go out and talk to people, and i tell em that we re going to win, that things are going in the right direction, that i really do believe that america s greatest days are ahead of us. i really do. it gives them hope you start talking that way, people start believing that way. instead, we have politicians that run america into the ground i ve spent my adult life listening to people whose party is not in power talking about how the world is going to hell because their party is not in
the two parties, as you remember, joe, used to fight it used to be about the size of government, policies at the border, how we viewed russia and foreign policy now, you re seeing republicans simply demonize the democrats in a way that people say is apocalyptic. also, quite problematic for the country and for discourse. yeah. of course, i guess they re being fed it by a news channel, john heilemann, that says that helicopters that we used in afghanistan are coming to america, and the army is going to kill people who voted for trump. fbi is going to knock down doors of people and kill them, who voted for trump. it is so again, this is self-defeating you can look back through american history the laws of gravity still hold for gravity, for law, for
i parted amicably at the end of the administration, after that tragic day in january, ever since he returned to the rhetoric he was using leading up to january 6th, i ve been speaking out i had no right to overturn the election no vice president in american mystery h history has ever assert thad right. do you think former president trump incited violence or incited an insurrection? well, look, there was a riot at the capitol that day, and there are many causes. i do think that the president s reckless words that day endangered all of us that were at the capitol when i say my family, you know, my wife and my daughter were with me all the way until 4:00 in the morning the following day. thanks to law enforcement, we quelled the riot we were able to reconvene the congress the very same day and complete our work under the constitution of the united